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Dec 2013
8:15pm, 2 Dec 2013
2,550 posts
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Bob!
Just starting P&D 55-70 18weeks (with adapted longer Sunday runs) for the SDW50 on April 5th. Moved tomorrows session to today as I'm otherwise occupied tomorrow.
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Dec 2013
8:30pm, 2 Dec 2013
370 posts
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K5 Gus
Yeah, I'm planning on putting in a few longer runs, not enough 20+ runs last time.
Also planning to do a hard parkrun some Saturdays when it's "just" a steady Long Run on the Sunday ( ie not one where there is any PMP effort ), maybe about every 3rd week.
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Dec 2013
8:44pm, 2 Dec 2013
7,935 posts
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RichHL
Starting P&D 55-70 for Manchester today. Grateful for the rest day.
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Dec 2013
9:42am, 3 Dec 2013
21,369 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Ooh, that's interesting Bob, I've never heard of anyone using P&D for ultras. Have you tried that before? I have used P&D very happily for marathons, but had bought an ultra training book (Wolfgang Olbrich - Ultra Marathon Training) for next ultras, but haven't really got into it. Would be interested to hear what you think.
Good luck all P&Ders for Manchester, VLM etc. just starting this week and next. P&D is a top plan. (like Gus says though, I'd recommend adding few miles to the 16-19 mile runs to top them up to 20 plus - can't do too many 20 milers, imho!) :-)G
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Dec 2013
9:52am, 3 Dec 2013
299 posts
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Race Jase
I actually disagree re adding extra miles to the long run if one is doing the 55-70 or 70-85 plan. That may make sense for an absolute novice where endurance is going to be the limiter. When you're an experienced runner, doing 65mpw and upwards week in week out you should have strong endurance and the long runs have sufficient quality in them to be really taxing efforts anyway. If you're going to follow the plan, follow the plan... otherwise you're not following it. 
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Dec 2013
10:01am, 3 Dec 2013
21,371 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Fair point Jase. It was just an adjustment that I found useful. Many of us have busy lives and have to flex the plans around work/home life. I was doing 55-70 mile plan and couldn't easily fit in the 12-15 mile mid week, mid long runs. So I did 2 x 7 mile commute runs instead and then added on somes to the long runs. Worked for me. :-)G
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Dec 2013
10:47am, 3 Dec 2013
2,551 posts
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Bob!
The longer runs that I have built in as part of my build up to the 50 are build up events.
So I'm planning the punchbowl marathon (30 miles) and Steyning Stinger (26.2 miles) which add longer build up runs as well as being specific (ie hilly & off-road) to my target event.
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Dec 2013
11:17am, 3 Dec 2013
300 posts
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Race Jase
Oh I know Happy Grr. It is very tough balancing everything. We moved house six months ago and the change in routine has had such a massive impact on my training, it's only now that I'm starting to get consistent with it all again. I would say the mid week MLR is critical to the whole plan really as it backs up that long run from the weekend. So I guess if you were doing less MLRs then it would be essential to do a longer weekend run to ensure you built sufficient endurance. If one is doing the plan as it is written though, the long runs really are long enough but thats just my opinion.
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Dec 2013
11:26am, 3 Dec 2013
3,545 posts
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daviec
I agree with Jase. I stuck rigidly to P&D a few years back for my first sub 3 attempt and it worked perfectly. I'm going to follow the plan as tightly as possible again this time round, but let's pretend I didn't bunk off yesterday. It's the 85+ plan for me this time, so no rest days until the final week!
10 miles with 4 tempo this morning, and I've to go back out for 4 recovery this evening. Tempo went very well though, averaging 5.57/mile.
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Dec 2013
1:14pm, 3 Dec 2013
1,319 posts
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True Gritts!
Nice davie
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