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clare1976 Nov 2022 12:50pm, 23 Nov 2022 4,689 posts	Quote Pin clare1976 I'll be following P&D up to 55 18w in the build-up to London but will jump in at week 3 at the start of January rather than following a strict plan over Xmas. The training I'll be doing for the rest of the year will form a more than adequate base. Looking fwd to it!
Oscar the Grouch Nov 2022 1:53pm, 23 Nov 2022 5,377 posts	Quote Pin Oscar the Grouch Agree
HappyG(rrr) Nov 2022 1:58pm, 23 Nov 2022 44,727 posts	Quote Pin HappyG(rrr) Clare, I'm similar, so won't be following religiously. My base will be 30 mpw already by then, with weekend run of 12-15, so I don't think it matters too much how I build into it. I'm just using it as a reminder of * general mileage * speed work and when to put in some intervals and tempos * long run and when to start putting in MP * when to put in some tester races (and when NOT to race!) * cut back weeks and taper (not that I usually forget to taper!) I've got XC in Jan and Feb and a couple of other favourite races and I just need to juggle around them too. G
riggys99 Nov 2022 2:02pm, 23 Nov 2022 1,459 posts	Quote Pin riggys99 sounds like a good plan clare1976 if i remember I think that's how I have done it in the past but for me its after a late november marathon so starting after christmas is no problem
rf_fozzy Nov 2022 2:34pm, 23 Nov 2022 18,842 posts	Quote Pin rf_fozzy I like the structure of the p&d plans, but still not keen on intervals at 5k pace. I prefer following Daniels for the interval sessions.
Hills of Death (HOD) Nov 2022 5:40pm, 23 Nov 2022 36,482 posts	Quote Pin Hills of Death (HOD) I went back to this after my post in 2019 that bloke was a joke. Nothing to beat easy runs building mileage with midweek Medium runs, speed/tempo then long run every weekend. With a cut back every 4 weeks. I got my half, 5 mile and nearly Marathon pb this year before the heat finally caught up with me about mile 18/19.
Shortcut Cam Nov 2022 6:34pm, 23 Nov 2022 1,658 posts	Quote Pin Shortcut Cam The long run a day after a 10k race is a no from me
larkim Nov 2022 8:14pm, 23 Nov 2022 19,698 posts	Quote Pin larkim What's your issue with the intervals fozzy? Too fast and wondering if they translate into effective marathon development?
rf_fozzy Nov 2022 10:32pm, 23 Nov 2022 18,843 posts	Quote Pin rf_fozzy I think Daniel's paces for intervals, repetitions and threshold are better than P&D. I think you're partly wasting the effort if you do the p&d intervals sessions, particularly at 5k pace as they're not intense enough and some don't have enough volume. I like the overall structure of the p&d plans, I'd just drop in a Daniel's interval session instead of the p&d one. I get it's a marathon plan, not a 5k one, but personally I think you're missing out on easy gains if you stick to 5k pace. I also think faster intervals during marathon training sets you up better for faster races post marathon too.
Hanneke Nov 2022 10:35pm, 23 Nov 2022 95,657 posts	Quote Pin Hanneke I followed it when I ran on the road many moons ago and ended up running a marathon at 5k pace 😱 ok, 5k pace isn't exactly fast for me...