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Oct 2019
8:49pm, 27 Oct 2019
9,276 posts
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larkim
If you think about planning the long runs sensibly there's no reason no to go longer for all of the P&D long runs. It's all about recovery I suppose.
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Oct 2019
8:42am, 28 Oct 2019
32,920 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Most of us who have done P&D multiple times have upgraded the 17, 18, 19 milers to 20 or more. I don't know that it makes much difference, but psychologically I liked to have plenty of 20 milers in my plan. I've done a few 21, 22, 23 but usually by accident (!) I don't think it's *necessary* to go over 20 ish miles, as the total volume and repeated MLR (mid long run) midweek of 13-16 miles plus weekend long run give you plenty of endurance.
Up to you though. The thread that has most experience with P&D is probably sub 3:15 thread. I think the sub 3 thread probably have lots of folk doing more customized training plans.
Finally, I upped from the up to 55 to the 55-70 mile plan to get my best marathon (scraped a sub 3). But it depends on how close to the limit you are. Sub 3 was a bit of a zenith for me, so I needed the total volume to improve. Having done the 35-55 plan a couple times before I felt I needed to step up to get more in my race. Good luck.  G
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Oct 2019
9:25am, 28 Oct 2019
43,657 posts
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Velociraptor
As an oldster, I'm planning to have a play with the practicalities of incorporating all the key sessions by, say, using a P&D 12-week marathon training plan but stretching it out to 15 or 16 weeks (my attention span for marathon training tops out at that point). I suspect the tricky bit will be resisting shoving a hard cross training or weights session into the additional easy/rest days.
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Oct 2019
11:44am, 28 Oct 2019
34,759 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I've been coached recently in time by a guy I felt it was short of miles but did have loads of hills every week that made me stronger.
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Oct 2019
11:51am, 28 Oct 2019
32,933 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Many ways to skin the cat. Midweek mid long run was hardest for me to fit in, but very beneficial. And tempos and long marathon Pace also hard, but valuable, I think. No hills in P&D but they do say it's a type of strength work (which they recommend but most people miss or ignore).
Rest super important, imho. But I do gym work on my rest day. It's not cardio and it tends to be core and not much legs, so counts as a rest, imho! And I'm an oldster too, of course V'rap! G
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Oct 2019
11:58am, 28 Oct 2019
43,661 posts
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Velociraptor
Hills are in the latest edition of P&D. Not sure whether I'll bother including them; can't do everything!
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Oct 2019
12:10pm, 28 Oct 2019
34,762 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
My coach is all for Hills instead of speedwork for Marathon training.
But one 3 hour run in prep for a marathon err no
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Nov 2022
9:33am, 23 Nov 2022
1,054 posts
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tipsku
I just downloaded the P&D 55 mile plan to my training schedule, starting on 19 December for a marathon on 23 April (not London though). Let's see how this goes
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Nov 2022
11:16am, 23 Nov 2022
44,722 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Me too tipsku! Hamburg for me. The P&D plan always start Christmas week! G
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Nov 2022
11:32am, 23 Nov 2022
2,016 posts
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auburnette
I am a p&d fan but currently doing the 5k plan from faster road racing!
I actually enjoyed my toned down 18-55 for this year's marathon - the midweek medium long runs really made me stronger and changed how daunting the longer runs felt.
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