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Jan 2008
10:35pm, 3 Jan 2008
94 posts
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IanRunner
Hi.<br><br>Im about to start my marathon training and have Advanced Marathoning by P&D.<br><br>Has anyone else tried the schedules from it? Also one of the sessions is general aerobic+ speed 8 miles + 10 x 100metre strides. When are you supposed to do the strides. After the 8 miles or as part of the 8 miles, say after 2 or 3 miles warm up?<br><br>Any opinions on the schedules will be gratfully received.
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Jan 2008
10:54pm, 3 Jan 2008
392 posts
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Impossible is Nothing
I more or less use P&D - great book and as with all schedules try to stick with the basic principles rather than rigidly insist on each session. Their aims for each cycle are the key thing.
The strides are to do a little work on running economy during base building - do them when warm and therefore during or after the run are ok. If you are as obsessive about miles as I am then you would do them after the 8 mile run. It is important to do them with good form, however, so if knackered after 8 mile run taht isn;t the best time - do them after 2/3 miles of the run instead. Don't do them flat out either - fast but relaxed.
Again, great schedules but more importantly great training guidelines in the book - all the best!! (Which marathon are you doing?)
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Jan 2008
12:25am, 4 Jan 2008
95 posts
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IanRunner
Thanks for that, really clears it up.
How do train? By heart rate, pace or just how you feel. I normally train to hr but feel like pace as Ive just got a new garmin.
Im doing the Windermere in May.
Good to hear some trains to the schedules.
Any races for you soon?
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Jan 2008
7:51am, 4 Jan 2008
575 posts
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paul a
It is the best marathon training book I have seen and can most highly recommend it. Clear, succinct and effective - you have made a good choice IanR.
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Jan 2008
8:20am, 4 Jan 2008
96 posts
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IanRunner
Paul A, thanks. Did you use any of the schedules? if so which one? Im planning on using the 18 week upto 55 miles per week plan. Will probably start that in a week or so.
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Jan 2008
8:55am, 4 Jan 2008
393 posts
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Impossible is Nothing
I, as I said, tend to use the schedules as a guide. I'm on the 18 week up to 70 schedule for London (2:50 is my aim after some good runs this year), but may not actually get up to 70 miles. Be careful not to follow the schedule rigidly if your body is complaining and you haven't done that sort of mileage before.
I personally use pace and RPE for all my runs rather than HR but I don't think that makes any difference to P&D.
Good luck with it!
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Jan 2008
8:59am, 4 Jan 2008
373 posts
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I'm using the same schedule (18/70) and also use it mainly as a guide rather than sticking to it too rigidly. Target race is Paris on April 6th.
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Jan 2008
9:13am, 4 Jan 2008
53 posts
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Alan F
Works for me. Using the up to 55mpw/18 schedule for Lochaber. Used it last year for Winderemere. Like others don't follow it the letter as usually swap a 15M cycle for a recovery run and tweak others as necessary including the adding a few miles to the last 20 miler.
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Jan 2008
9:23am, 4 Jan 2008
576 posts
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paul a
IanR - I have always used P&D and usually the 12 week 55 mile schedule. For my first marathon in 05 I used the 18 week 55 miler just to be sure I got the sub 3:30 I wanted. Have now started to increase my mileage and am now between the 55 and 70 mile schedules, adding mileage where I can but following the P&D principles. With the longer days of summer I hope to find the time to follow the 70 mile schedule properly. Always use the 12 week schedule now, followed by the recovery schedule too. 10 marathons and an ultra later I still use AM and my times keep improving (just got to get sub 3 this year now).
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Jan 2008
9:57am, 4 Jan 2008
361 posts
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Widger
I actually got this book last summer with the intention of using it before Nottingham. However I didn't  I'm not very good at following programmes and tend to just 'wing' my training......possible why I'm not gettting the marathon time I *know* I'm capable of
I'm def going to use it as my 'guide' for Edinburgh though, especially after seeing the marathon times you lot are getting after using it
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