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Sub 85 min Half Marathon Support Thread

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Windsor Wool May 2023 8:24am, 12 May 2023 5,933 posts	Quote Pin Windsor Wool Never say never WW That’s the spirit Daz, good to read!! 5k and HM are obviously both still running but are surely starting to become quite different disciplines, aren’t they? Horses for courses to some extent.
allmatthew Oct 2023 1:36pm, 24 Oct 2023 120 posts	Quote Pin allmatthew Thought I'd resurrect an older discussion on this as I managed to have a good P&D HM training block and it helped me align - not sure that's the right word - my race paces and WAVAs across a number of distances. Based on my best times this year, there's now a 15 sec per mile difference between 5km, 10km, and HM: 5km - 5:55 p/m (72.68%) 10km - 6:10 p/m (70.87%) HM - 6:25 p/m (70.09%) As much as I'd like to extrapolate this to a marathon pace, I know that marathons are the outlier and to a certain extent all bets are off. I've another 6 to 8 weeks before I start a marathon training block so will play around with expected MP to see what feels comfortable. I'm currently leaning to seeing if 6:55 p/m works. That would be HM x 2 + c.13 mins. Based on my last two marathons (where I'd basically worked on too tight a conversion) then my conversion is closer to HM x 2 + 20 mins. Nothing is set in stone, but hopefully it's better to be optimistic than pessimistic!
Bowman 🇸🇪 Oct 2023 1:56pm, 24 Oct 2023 3,105 posts	Quote Pin Bowman 🇸🇪 Interesting allmatthew. Here are my stats this year. 5km - 3:35/km 74.23 september 10km - 3:54/km 72.63 April HM - 4:04/km 72.02 may M - 4:26/km 70.43 (not the best effort ) october There are room for improvements for me for sure, i think only the 5k, felt pretty fast for me on the day.
larkim Oct 2023 2:01pm, 24 Oct 2023 22,439 posts	Quote Pin larkim My spread is a bit broader this year 5km - 6:14min/mile - 77.16 10km - 6:25min/mile - 74.43 HM - 6:52min/mile - 72.92 Mar - 7:14min/mile - 71.90 The 5km is the big outlier there, which feels odd as I don't feel I'm a short(er) distance specialist!
Bowman 🇸🇪 Oct 2023 2:50pm, 24 Oct 2023 3,107 posts	Quote Pin Bowman 🇸🇪 Mabe not that many M50 targeting 5k?
larkim Oct 2023 4:42pm, 24 Oct 2023 22,442 posts	Quote Pin larkim LOL, I get crushed in 5ks in the age group pretty consistently - one of my pet peeves is that there are so many middle-aged men who are still tonnes better than me at running!! Just realised I've made a typo there though - the 5km should read "6:06" pace not "6:14" pace, so that shows the bigger gap between my 5k pace and 10k pace. TBH they were run at different places in my fitness cycle - 5k was about 4 weeks out from London Mara, whereas the 10k was run on a warm June day after I'd not got back into decent volume running. The 5.5 point drop between the 5k and the mara is the biggie.
Bowman 🇸🇪 Oct 2023 5:04pm, 24 Oct 2023 3,109 posts	Quote Pin Bowman 🇸🇪 LOL, I get crushed in 5ks in the age group pretty consistently - one of my pet peeves is that there are so many middle-aged men who are still tonnes better than me at running!! Just realised I've made a typo there though - the 5km should read "6:06" pace not "6:14" pace, so that shows the bigger gap between my 5k pace and 10k pace. TBH they were run at different places in my fitness cycle - 5k was about 4 weeks out from London Mara, whereas the 10k was run on a warm June day after I'd not got back into decent volume running. The 5.5 point drop between the 5k and the mara is the biggie. Ah ok, well I feel that way too, in my age group M45 there are a lot of old farts having their time of their life doing marathons apparently. In my last marathon, a very small one, 380 people or so, there were 11 blokes in M45 ahead of me. All under 3h 😄 The 6:06 vs 6:14 means nothing to me, but I’m getting better at minute miles 😂 Yes there is of course different kind of efforts. But it will be hard to get in 3-4 perfectly executed races in different distances over the year. I’m also a bit careful with the short ones since they are harder to the body.
larkim Oct 2023 5:11pm, 24 Oct 2023 22,445 posts	Quote Pin larkim 3:47 per km vs 3:52 per km. Or in wava terms it would be the difference between 77.16 and 75.37.
Bowman 🇸🇪 Oct 2023 5:46pm, 24 Oct 2023 3,113 posts	Quote Pin Bowman 🇸🇪 👍 I struggle to convert these things in my head. Calculating time and distance in metric is hard enough, but to add an other distance measure and I’m lost 😂