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P&D - 70-85mpw - 18 week plan support thread

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Jan 2011
11:29pm, 3 Jan 2011
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MattTheRat
Week 4:

Plan is:

M: 6 miles recovery
T: 10 miles with 10x100m strides
W: 14 miles
T: 6 miles recovery
F: 12 miles
S: 6 miles
S: 20 miles

Total 74 miles

As mentioned above, I've swapped the long run, so have 16 easy ones in the bag already. Back to work tomorrow.
Jan 2011
2:21pm, 4 Jan 2011
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baz p
cant believe its less than 15 weeks to london.

lastweek completed 58 miles in total, nice wee 16 miler completed with Tizer on sunday. some speed work yesterday with the club annual handicap, hill session tonight with the club (3 sets of 5 reps up a steep hill (approx 100m long)). mid week semi-long run, club fartlek/intervals on thursday, RR on friday and sat poss race.

Struggling with the mid week long runs, not fun in the dark, and trying to find lit routes! not the same as training for an autumn marathon. need to start lookining into double sessions now! hoo humm
Jan 2011
3:45pm, 4 Jan 2011
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MattTheRat
I was wondering myself how to fit in a 14 mile tomorrow alongside a full day at work.

Did my session today - mostly. Plan said 10 miles inc strides. I did 7 miles inc 10x100m strides. Didn't have the time to add on the extra 3 miles - would have made the lucnh break 90 minutes including changing time.
Jan 2011
4:25pm, 4 Jan 2011
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Miser
Think I've found my moment to jump in! I'm having the exact same problem - but from the 55-70 plan.

With a bit of rewriting I'm looking at 14 miles (inc 5 @HMP) before an 8:30 start at work.

Just keep thinking that it's only once a week and probably the most significant extra in the plan. Who cares if I'm asleep at my desk...

For you who have done these schedules before - I have a feeling I'm just starting into the tough part. When would you say the training is hardest?
Jan 2011
4:41pm, 4 Jan 2011
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baz p
its all hard, just gets more samey! getting the long runs in the middle of the week is for me the hardest part. once you get going for 4-5 weeks of generally the same kind of training, you wonder why! well i do anyway. i have managed to break it up with club session on a tue - thur and sat which helps break up the monotonous training, training with people helps alot.

dunno if this helps. first day back at work and my brain is fried.
Jan 2011
6:35pm, 4 Jan 2011
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Tizer
I'd go along with the midweek long runs being the toughest to fit in. Looking back at my Berlin training it looks like I managed 5 midweek long runs with 3 of those being 15 milers. They definately make the Sunday seem easier when it comes round but if I only manage 10-12 then that'll do.

Tough old run at lunchtime. Planned on 8 miles with 12 x 800 at 5-10k pace with 60s recovery but still have a bit of a cold so struggled after the 4th rep. Decided that I'd cut it to 10 reps and ended up adding 3 miles on at the end. So 9 miles with 5 miles of reps. Not bad but I was pretty rough when I finished.

I'll probably try for 10 miles tomorrow if I can squeeze a 2hr lunch break in
Jan 2011
6:44pm, 4 Jan 2011
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Tiger
I've been back at work today, hope you all had a good festive break.

I finally feel I'm back on track, the week before Christmas was totally written off with lurgy but I was able to get out last week, so much easier getting the midweek runs done in daylight. I'm a week ahead of most of you all, doing Brighton - tomorrow's 14 miles seems a bit daunting midweek in the dark! But that's what's always been missing from my marathon training in the past so must toughen up and get out there. :)

Winter Tanners 20 for me this Sunday, organised by the LDWA, checkpoints with cups of tea, cake, biccies. One of those events you are at risk of consuming more calories than you burn off!
Jan 2011
6:52pm, 4 Jan 2011
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RichyC
Just back from a few days away and got some decent runs in. Took advantage of pleasant weather conditions and plenty of time on my hands to rack up a 70m week last week, with 2 good sessions, 1 a tempo and then a progressive 15m on New Years Day which felt really good on an undulating route.

This mornings run was 9m with 10x 100m strides on a hilly and windy route, but after a long day yesterday on a visit over to Belfast I felt tired this morning and it was reflected in effort levels in the session which were as high if not higher than my tempo last week! Just one of those days I guess.

Totally agree re midweek long runs. I guess I'm fortunate that I don't have kids so I'm only fitting in around work and my wife. Still not easy though and finding the motivation to head out for 14m on a cold, dark, windy January evening after a days work is difficult at times. I'm feeling reasonably positive about it this year though and just gonna get stuck into them.
Jan 2011
7:05pm, 4 Jan 2011
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Tiger
I'd be interested to know what people's plans are for tune up races.

I've got Tunbridge Wells half on 27th Feb (6 weeks out)
Surrey Spitfire 20 on 13th March (4 weeks out) - schedule says 9-13 miles race Sat, 17 miles Sun. Perhaps I should do the Spitfire as a progression run?

I could do Cranleigh 21 on 20th March (3 weeks out) - schedule says 20 miles. I'd treat this as a training run if I did it. There's also the Fleet half on this date, would I be better sticking to the plan or racing a half marathon or is it a bit close to the marathon to be racing a half?
Jan 2011
7:12pm, 4 Jan 2011
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Bazoaxe
Miser, and others...last winter/spring I found the midweek long runs hard as well. My approach then was to do them pre work and I was often rising at 5:30 to get them in, but ending up calling them a mile or two short.

This year my plan is to do the midweekl ong run home from work ,with the following days recovery run back in to work.

I hope this proves easier.

About This Thread

Maintained by MattTheRat
This thread was initially about the 70-85mpw 18 week training plan from Pfitzinger & Douglas's excellent book Advanced marathoning. It's since widened out to include all the plans from P&D for any marathon. Maybe one day we'll get the thread title changed.

Current and planned P&D plan followers include:

MtR 55-70mpw London
Mrs Jigs 55-70mpw London
TripletDad up to 55mpw Edinburgh
Alexv 70-85mpw London
Crave 70-85mpw Vienna
thechunkygentleman 55-70mpw Edinburgh
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