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Dec 2010
10:23pm, 14 Dec 2010
3,087 posts
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LouLou
Thats good to know - I'm hoping that my stress fracture is also healed! Test driving it on Friday!
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Dec 2010
11:17pm, 14 Dec 2010
686 posts
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MattTheRat
I think at this stage I'd run to marathon/half-marathon heart rate rather than pace. I was hitting 161-162 bpm at 6:30mm which was about right heart rate wise (85% MHR). But in general I do tend to run my tempo runs closer to MP rather than HMP.
Plus it was in the dark on pavements with a fair few road crossings.
2nd edition plans are tweaked a bit. There's also some new content which seems pretty good. That said it is 90% the same as the 1st edition.
Nice to see some others following the plan. I had a lot of success with the up to 70mpw plan from the 1st edition.
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Dec 2010
7:48am, 15 Dec 2010
640 posts
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Rockin around the RichyC
Thanks Matt. Just had a quick look at the 2nd edition schedule and you're right, there are a few tweaks. From an initial glance it looks like there's more MP in there which is good and the LT sessions start in week 1 which is earlier than the 1st edition. Broadly the general, recovery, medium and long runs are the same.
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Dec 2010
8:38am, 15 Dec 2010
1,740 posts
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360°
Managed the first LT run last night which I found tough. I've not got the base mileage that I was hoping for at this stage though, so perhaps not surprising.
It will come.
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Dec 2010
8:53am, 15 Dec 2010
4,691 posts
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BlueWombat
o.k., I'm planning to join you, but have already got off to a bad start with a chest cold this week that I want to shake off before too much exertion
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Dec 2010
12:34pm, 15 Dec 2010
687 posts
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MattTheRat
And strides have been renamed 'speed', plus long runs start at 16 miles instead of 17.
One the subject of long runs, I think the 20 mile things is an artificial concept only really bothering runners in the UK and US. I doubt many continental Europeans worry about how many 32k training runs they get in. my suspicion is that 30k has more significance for them. I'd find a 16 mile run with 8-10 @ MP more challenging than a 20 miler @ easy pace.
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Dec 2010
12:58pm, 15 Dec 2010
5,715 posts
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Keefy Yuletide Wreathy
I've always been interested by that concept, Matt - the one of 20 milers. Specifically with P&D because (as referred to before) so many people say their plans are great before saying "But I tend to add lots more 20 because there aren't enough". Which would suggest they really think their plans are lacking something in reality.
At current fitness I'm probbaly only good for the up to 55 plan, yet the lack of 20's really bothers me (because I'm Fetchies and know what people do on here?). Part of me would love to follow the plan to the letter just to see what the result is. My last sucessful mara (as in no hitches at all) was 3:27 off 3 x 20 - susequent unsuccessful maras have been done off far more 20's (5-6). Does that suggest that 3 x 20 is enough and really it was more speed and stamina that would have stood me in better stead?
Anyway, not the point of the thread but an interesting talking point.
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Dec 2010
1:05pm, 15 Dec 2010
1,721 posts
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tom_craggs
Although I am not following a P&D plan I would endorse Matt's approach of running tempo to HR or percieved effort rather than pace. I do not use an HRM right now so I run all my tempo at 3-4 word answer pace, which means the pace can fluctuate according to how I feel on any given day but it means that I am always training the right energy system, rather than running strictly to a pace which may or may not be my tempo effort on that given day. That said 3-4 word answer pace works out generally more like 10 mile pace for me than HM or M pace.
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Dec 2010
1:59pm, 15 Dec 2010
19,385 posts
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Mrs Jigs (Luverlylegs)
I have followed the up to 70 miles plan for a few marathons now and have never felt I needed to increase the amount of 20 mile runs or change other runs apart from switching them round to days that fit in with life. I have faith in the schedule and don't see the point of 'tweaking' it, the occasions where I have not achieved my goal time has been because of issues on the day, certainly not training related.
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Dec 2010
4:00pm, 15 Dec 2010
690 posts
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MattTheRat
12 miles done just now. From the office up to Hyde Park, then round there and back again.
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Hanson running programme (sadly nothing to do with mmm bop)
Jun 2012