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Carbon shoes for better recovery?

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Bowman Sep 2021 6:36pm, 7 Sep 2021 239 posts	Quote Pin Bowman Like every other runner that likes gear I’ve been looking at the carbon shoe “news” last few years. I’m not so interested in the speed aspect, but more the aspect of less “strain” on the legs and feet on longer runs. Apparently they are more gentle to the body as well. Any thoughts on this?
Velociraptor Sep 2021 6:48pm, 7 Sep 2021 54,041 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor D'you mean the shoes with carbon plates in the soles, Bowman? If so, I love running in them (it's fun, wheeeeeeeee!) but haven't had any reduction in post-race DOMS from wearing them.
Bowman Sep 2021 6:52pm, 7 Sep 2021 242 posts	Quote Pin Bowman Yes I do. Ok so post race doms is the name I’ve heard in different forums that that’s a big thing, less strain after hard or long runs. Maybe that’s not the case for all then.
Velociraptor Sep 2021 7:03pm, 7 Sep 2021 54,042 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor It's something other people say they've noticed, but it's not a universal experience and it's something that's so subjective it's impossible to rule out a placebo effect from having spent over £200 on a pair of dayglo daps.
Bowman Sep 2021 7:10pm, 7 Sep 2021 243 posts	Quote Pin Bowman Yes of course:)
Silent Runner Sep 2021 9:26pm, 7 Sep 2021 479 posts	Quote Pin Silent Runner I don't know much about carbon shoes, but I misread the thread title as "Cartoon shoes for better recovery?", which I think is a great idea.
Bowman Sep 2021 6:32am, 8 Sep 2021 244 posts	Quote Pin Bowman 😀 yup that might be a great idea silent runner!
Windsor Wool Sep 2021 11:17am, 8 Sep 2021 5,227 posts	Quote Pin Windsor Wool come discuss over here Bowman, you'll defo get a view here... fetcheveryone.com/forum/the-vaporfly-thread-60619/
Bowman Sep 2021 11:41am, 8 Sep 2021 245 posts	Quote Pin Bowman Thanks windsor
Kieren Sep 2021 4:08pm, 8 Sep 2021 4,215 posts	Quote Pin Kieren My 2p - happy to be torn apart - that's what forums are for Being pedantic, no matter how easy, any run is not "recovery" - the term recovery run is misleading. An easy run still has a training / stress effect. Strain / stress is why how we kickstart development - dedicated practice and progressive overload through a combination of volume and intensity. So far as carbon plate shoes lowering the stress - that would make sense to me. Outside Online ran a couple of articles linking improved running economy to faster times - through experienced based form or carbon stabilized cushion shoes that take load off the legs: outsideonline.com & outsideonline.com Based on that, I think a carbon plate run would be less taxing on the body but that perhaps depend on pace - most don't to well at more comfortable paces. The gait cycle is pretty complex - if you look at what happens with pronation and supination around the hindfoot / talus there is incredible complexity. I worry that too much time in carbon plate or shoes that take strain off supporting musculature could be a slow creep to atrophy and maybe difficult to pinpoint injuries. With just a minor deviation to pronation, we compensate that can put strain on the arch or the tibia and cause knee issues or even lower back pain. They are all supported by large muscles so I think might take a while to manifest. Pronation link: thestudentphysicaltherapist.com