3:14pm
3:14pm, 27 Jun 2025
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B Rubble
paulcook wrote: I'd certainly cut any road budgets to £0. Certainly capital infrastructure. Yes, that could save money and has been tried in Wales. It's been under review for a while: walesonline.co.uk Certainly the adding new roads to add to capacity can easily be argued against. The difficult decisions are where they are planned to reduce the environmental effect of congestion. Admittedly we should be trying to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads |
3:20pm
3:20pm, 27 Jun 2025
23,917 posts
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rf_fozzy
paulcook wrote: I'd certainly cut any road budgets to £0. Certainly capital infrastructure. You could make a case that new roads achieve the sum of zero, so give them the equal spending budget. This would have very bad outcomes. Like it or not until we get Futurama travel tubes, most people and stuff are moved around by roads Not spending on roads would kill the economy. Maybe not instantaneously, but over 2-3 years.... |
3:46pm
3:46pm, 27 Jun 2025
27,591 posts
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larkim
Ultimately are we paying the penalty for 18th and 19th century industrialisation in a way which doesn't seem to have impacted other European countries in the same way? Our towns and cities look incredibly hard to modify in the way that other European countries seem to have managed very effectively. Or is that just an excuse reflecting the fact we've taken poor decisions over the last 50 years?
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3:58pm
3:58pm, 27 Jun 2025
34,845 posts
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richmac
TBF a lot of European, see also Japan 'benefitted from the attention of the RAF and USAF circa 1944/5 in a way the Luftwaffe failed to reciprocate.
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4:09pm
4:09pm, 27 Jun 2025
27,593 posts
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larkim
Yes, I can see that. Though in fairness, the cities which the UK did try to pop up from post war devastation or new town expansion don't exactly sit as shining examples of modern urban planning. e.g. local to me look at Runcorn, intended to pick up the overcrowding, slum clearance and post war housing needs for Liverpool. A modern traffic setup poorly and cheaply implemented, low quality housing stock chunks of which have been demolished already, road infrastructure halted part way through, shopping centres now massively under-occupied. For whatever reason, we don't do this stuff well (on average).
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4:25pm
4:25pm, 27 Jun 2025
8,304 posts
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paulcook
larkim wrote: Ultimately are we paying the penalty for 18th and 19th century industrialisation in a way which doesn't seem to have impacted other European countries in the same way? Our towns and cities look incredibly hard to modify in the way that other European countries seem to have managed very effectively. Or is that just an excuse reflecting the fact we've taken poor decisions over the last 50 years? I'm actually surprised, but it seems we're statistically ahead of EU in terms of use of rail for both freight vs EU and passenger use (third behind Germany and France in Europe). Also we drive lesser distance overall than the EU average. Might be comparing apples and pears though there, particularly trying to compare a densely population small island vs the continent. |
7:01pm
7:01pm, 27 Jun 2025
5,238 posts
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StuH
So Starmer regrets his 'island of strangers' speech. Blimey he's a bit slow, the language was obviously awful immediately.
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7:18pm
7:18pm, 27 Jun 2025
8,306 posts
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paulcook
Good job he never doubled down on it and repeated the same phrases later on then.
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7:22pm
7:22pm, 27 Jun 2025
34,849 posts
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richmac
Good call PC, it's what the Tories would have done for three weeks
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8:39pm
8:39pm, 27 Jun 2025
23,017 posts
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Chrisull
Not only had the horse bolted after Starmer's speech, but the stable has since burned down and now been replaced by a block of flats. Reform will win the next election, but not get a majority. Get used to it. If you don't believe, have a look at the 11 election county council results from Thursday. If they didn't win, they were second with a large chunk of the vote. I better speed up getting dual nationality so I can escape. |
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