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run free
run free
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Agree 3M. Love the idea of being able to tap into plant electricity to charge a device and so developing more forests to charge up a city. Wouldn't that be a win for the environment and a win for those who need energy

JDA - I believe solar panels contain heavy metals that can leach out when the panels are corroding / somehow compromised. The construction and transportation of solar panels still have carbon costs.
Chrisull
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@HappyG(rrr) Export is all working - so making money, we're on the Intelligent Flux tariff, but at the moment it's just a generic "this is the cheap time - auto import if need be", "this is the expensive time auto export if need be". Apparently they can intelligently tailor it to your particular patterns/usage if you let them have control of the battery. That's the bit they can't do. Does that sound familiar?
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I went off the Agile tariff because they didn't have an automation that tracked it, or not one that I could work out.

My neighbour has built his own (he's more techy than me!) - tracks the half hour tariff and then chooses whether to import to charge home battery, car battery, use for his electric heating or to export.

So I am just on fixed cheap rate hours for car charging and battery charging at night, then I have to manually, every day, set to export for the peak daytime hours. I forget sometimes! That's a GivEnergy automation limitation though, rather than Octopus. So no, your situation is not something I have experienced, sorry I can't help. Thanks for explaining and good luck. :-) G
Dave W
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From Auto Express.

Electric cars are about to get more affordable after the UK government announced the relaunch of an EV grant scheme which will cut the price of a new zero-emissions car by up to £3,750.

The new Electric Car Grant (ECG) will be available on EVs costing under £37,000, but only those models from manufacturers that have committed to and displayed reductions around emissions targets – although dig deeper and things get even more complicated.

For example, the government says the ECG will be available in two tiers; only cars deemed the most environmentally friendly will be eligible to receive the full amount. Plus, as only cars costing under £37,000 will qualify, the UK’s best-selling EV, the Tesla Model Y is among a large list of EVs not in line for government grants.

The £650 million total funding for the EV grant would be enough to subsidise around 173,000 electric car purchases at the maximum grant amount of £3,750 per vehicle. That's about half the total number of EVs registered in the UK last year, so it’s unclear how it will be sustained until the 2028/29 cut-off date.

Confused already? We don’t blame you.
HappyG(rrr)
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Dave W wrote:From Auto Express. Electric cars are about to get more affordable after the UK government announced the relaunch of an EV grant scheme which will cut the price of a new zero-emissions car by up to £3,750. The new Electric Car Grant (ECG) will be available on EVs costing under £37,000, but only those models from manufacturers that have committed to and displayed reductions around emissions targets – although dig deeper and things get even more complicated. For example, the government says the ECG will be available in two tiers; only cars deemed the most environmentally friendly will be eligible to receive the full amount. Plus, as only cars costing under £37,000 will qualify, the UK’s best-selling EV, the Tesla Model Y is among a large list of EVs not in line for government grants. The £650 million total funding for the EV grant would be enough to subsidise around 173,000 electric car purchases at the maximum grant amount of £3,750 per vehicle. That's about half the total number of EVs registered in the UK last year, so it’s unclear how it will be sustained until the 2028/29 cut-off date. Confused already? We don’t blame you.


Good news for most. Most Chinese cars not included, gov says because their manufacturing is coal powered.

So euro cars, under 37K. Personally will suit me well when I go to buy next year. Except new only, but hoping they might extend to second hand.

Unfortunately manufacturers often then inflate their prices and publish a lower "including government grant" figure to bring back to what they would have sold before, in my experience. So might not be that beneficial.

I'll copy across to EV thread too.

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Hi
I've seen environment (whether emissions, power, climate change, access to countryside, whatever you think of as "environment") discussed in various threads: Politics (obviously), the Electric Car thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/electric-car-anyone-61481/ , run free's excellent "Competitive Running and Keeping The Environment Clean" fetcheveryone.com/forum/running-competitively-keeping-our-environment-clean-60907/ my own Greta Thunberg thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/greta-thunberg---jfk-for-the-climate-generation-61044/ etc. but I haven't seen a general one.

So here it is. For those interested in the science, the politics, the action for (and I'll state that for me, this is mostly pro-environment, anti-emissions, anti-pollution etc.) and the hope for the future of our planet.

Useful links posted by contributors:
rf_fozzy: This is quite a good article about how disruptive technology works too: lesswrong.com
Basically about why Kodak completely missed the boat when it came to digital cameras timkastelle.org
run free's Grand Designs example Ben Laws is a man who built his dream: granddesignsmagazine.com granddesignsmagazine.com
Carbon Commentary carboncommentary.com
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