27 Jun
2:04pm, 27 Jun 2025
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Dave W
It's a bit like the Tory argument that benefits must be less, and made a lot harder to get, with a punitive approach to those falling foul of the "rules" for all claimants, because of the 0.5% of people who claim fraudulently. Make the criteria fair, and assessed by people with no financial gain to be made by throwing claims out. So no targets to fail claimants. Looks like they might be heading towards that sort of thing now, as they are going to include disability charities and disabled people in the decision making process. |
27 Jun
2:36pm, 27 Jun 2025
23,016 posts
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Chrisull
They're 100% wrong end of. Instead of cutting PIP, why not focus on the huge massive overspend on ALL of our public infrastructure projects. And this is nothing to do with Brexit. It is too with NIMBYism and plain Great British incompetence. Read this and weep: samdumitriu.com |
27 Jun
2:41pm, 27 Jun 2025
8,301 posts
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paulcook
I'd certainly cut any road budgets to £0. Certainly capital infrastructure. You could make a case that new roads achieve the sum of zero, so give them the equal spending budget.
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27 Jun
2:41pm, 27 Jun 2025
27,588 posts
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larkim
Make the case that they are 100% wrong. No argument that they could find money, savings, better services elsewhere. But 100% wrong feels like it needs explanation. |
27 Jun
2:48pm, 27 Jun 2025
34,842 posts
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richmac
Hang on, lot of wrong assumptions here, the idea is to take money away from disabled people, no it's not.. As a disabled person do you know how much money I'll loose? Nothing. What they've done is, wrongly is tighten up the existing criteria scoring when they should have actually redesigned the assessment process to exclude the people taking the piss. |
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27 Jun
2:51pm, 27 Jun 2025
27,589 posts
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larkim
Chrisull wrote: They're 100% wrong end of. Instead of cutting PIP, why not focus on the huge massive overspend on ALL of our public infrastructure projects. And this is nothing to do with Brexit. It is too with NIMBYism and plain Great British incompetence. Read this and weep: samdumitriu.com It seems to me that the NIMBYism which impacts delivery of new infrastructure isn't that far removed from the opposition to just about any changes to the benefit or pension system? And is this a problem that a government can solve anyway? Are other countries better at packaging infrastructure projects so that the population tolerates their inconvenience (and reaping the economic savings longer term) or do other countries have long standing cultures where this is simply easier to deploy, so expecting it to be portable to the UK is naive? (The linked article is interesting by the way, thanks!) |
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27 Jun
3:00pm, 27 Jun 2025
8,302 posts
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paulcook
larkim wrote: Chrisull wrote:They're 100% wrong end of. Instead of cutting PIP, why not focus on the huge massive overspend on ALL of our public infrastructure projects. And this is nothing to do with Brexit. It is too with NIMBYism and plain Great British incompetence. Read this and weep: samdumitriu.com It seems to me that the NIMBYism which impacts delivery of new infrastructure isn't that far removed from the opposition to just about any changes to the benefit or pension system? And is this a problem that a government can solve anyway? Are other countries better at packaging infrastructure projects so that the population tolerates their inconvenience (and reaping the economic savings longer term) or do other countries have long standing cultures where this is simply easier to deploy, so expecting it to be portable to the UK is naive? (The linked article is interesting by the way, thanks!) My most obvious comparison to make (and culturally probably very different to UK) would be China. Built the world's biggest high speed rail network in I think 12 years and still way more under construction. Not sure what the comparative costs are but it's all supposedly worth $400bn to the economy. |
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27 Jun
3:05pm, 27 Jun 2025
27,590 posts
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larkim
I'm OK with living under Chinese political and legal systems so long as everyone else is 
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27 Jun
3:08pm, 27 Jun 2025
8,303 posts
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paulcook
What's not to like?!
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27 Jun
3:10pm, 27 Jun 2025
3,382 posts
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B Rubble
I think we would be the first to complain if a new infrastructure project ignored all of our environmental and planning laws.
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