Aug 2023
2:37pm, 15 Aug 2023
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Fields
US… x.com Lol that’s a good joke in the tweet |
Aug 2023
2:44pm, 15 Aug 2023
15,308 posts
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jda
It’s just queue jumping isn’t it? I don’t blame individuals for taking advantage, but it’s transparently part of the Tory plan to dismantle the NHS.
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Aug 2023
2:50pm, 15 Aug 2023
3,155 posts
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paulcook
I think we use private services and vice-versa where I live. And some of our staff work private shifts at the weekend. My mum has also (for years now) had NHS treatment in a private setting. Wes Streeting has already said the NHS under Labour would use private health providers so there might be little difference under a different government. But there’s probably a world of difference to NHS patients getting care through private channels through normal NHS waiting times, than there is to patients spending money for queue jumping private care. |
Aug 2023
2:54pm, 15 Aug 2023
63,396 posts
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LindsD
As long ago as 2012 I had an nhs op in a private facility. I thought the nhs just bought space. Mum had the same last week |
Aug 2023
3:00pm, 15 Aug 2023
22,863 posts
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richmac
Last op I had the NHS rented a surgical facility in a private hospital for the day and got through about 10 patients having the same thing done. I felt it was a good use, kept the hospital OR free for emergencies and didn't have to pay for it to be staffed 24/7 just in case, only when needed for a block booking as it were. |
Aug 2023
3:04pm, 15 Aug 2023
38,788 posts
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Mrs Jigs (Luverlylegs)
Our local nhs hospital buys space at the private hospital, I choose that option for my appointments/procedures where possible as I don’t necessarily want people I work with to know my personal health issues.
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Aug 2023
3:10pm, 15 Aug 2023
21,736 posts
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larkim
It’s just queue jumping isn’t it? I don’t blame individuals for taking advantage, but it’s transparently part of the Tory plan to dismantle the NHS. Yes, though not for us as this is the NHS queue being cycled through the extra capacity that the NHS-owned private facility provides. It's one thing opposing private healthcare per se on the basis of queue jumping (which is my strong position) but it's somewhat less "bad" of the profits from that private facility end up back in NHS hands. Providing of course that they do make a profit (some pre-pandemic reports suggest otherwise in some cases) and that these services dont strain NHS staffing resources. I don't know, for example, if the rates of pay for staff in this private facility are higher than those for nursing colleagues only 20metres away in the NHS wards. There's usually the argument that "efficient and effective" private providers that do NHS work with the NHS paying can provide a better service. I don't buy that as a universal concept, though could see it working well in some scenarios where it doesn't facilitate queue jumping (e.g. physio services which are often rightly private as well as NHS funded by lunatics like injured runners). This feels different as the NHS here has referred one of its patients into a private facility which the NHS owns. So whilst my son may get higher staffing levels, a bigger room etc he is only getting that because the NHS chose it, not him (or us). |
Aug 2023
4:37pm, 15 Aug 2023
23,917 posts
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Dave A
When I had my 1st shoulder operation, in 2009, it was paid for by the NHS but done at a private hospital where the consultant did his private work. It’s been going on for years and I was happy to go there as an NHS patient. When I was preparing for it (pre op was done in an NHS hospital) they told me it was to help with the back log. I don’t see that as dismantling the health service. What’s destroying it is constant underfunding and not retaining staff who I don’t blame for buggering off abroad, to new careers or into private work. |
Aug 2023
5:00pm, 15 Aug 2023
20,613 posts
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Chrisull
All fun here while I was away? Anyway quick point of order, on whether Meloni is a fascist. I think fields has a point, she was an ex-fascist who now denies her former party was fascist. The liberal/right wing foreignpolicy.com has an article on her murky origins: foreignpolicy.com Here's a dictionary definition: "fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" And here's a bit on Meloni - from the above article: "Meloni described Almirante as a noble father of the Italian right, a “politician and a patriot of the past esteemed by friends and adversaries.” She saw no contradiction in praising him while disowning Mussolini’s racial laws. But, of course, there is a glaring one: Almirante played a major role in the antisemitic propaganda of Mussolini’s regime." (Almirante created a militia around the party called “Volontari Nazionali,” whose job was to violently repress the student movement and labor unions that were organizing protests. The Volontari Nazionali’s most famous exploit was the attempted assault on Sapienza University in Rome, as it was being occupied by left-wing students in 1968. They failed.)" So she openly praised fascists.... And Meloni was a member of MSI - "MSI was pretty extremist on its own. But, as if that weren’t enough, some of its members overlapped with right-wing terrorist groups - Almirante’s rival within the MSI and father of the current undersecretary of defense, Isabella Rauti—was one the founders of Ordine Nuovo, a neofascist group responsible for the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing that killed 17 people in Milan, although Rauti himself was cleared from any direct involvement in a trial." I think there's enough in the article to claim that Meloni is pretty much a neo-fascist, and that fields isn't really exaggerating. |
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Aug 2023
5:20pm, 15 Aug 2023
22,869 posts
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richmac
So not a fascist but a big fan of fascists of history ?
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