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Sep 2013
2:39pm, 10 Sep 2013
1,048 posts
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DrDan
Boab - impressive 10M sub-LT pace! very nice. I've met a stray horse ont he canal towpath in Leeds before ... not easy to get around!
And Davie & Bazo ... subLTs also looking very good!
jog-on ... I've done some sub-LT type work in the 2nd half of my Sunday long run.
Anyway, instead of a 5th Sunday with a 20+ LSR, I did a sort of extended sub-LT session ... 16.3 miles at 79% maxHR and 7:44/m.
To canal, 1.15 miles, 7:40/m
1,7:46, 137 bmp
2,7:30, 137 bmp
3,7:29, 137 bmp
4,7:36, 137 bmp
5,7:52, 135 bmp
6,7:34, 136 bmp
7,7:49, 137 bmp
8,7:52, 136 bmp
9,7:37, 137 bmp
10,7:56, 138 bmp
11,7:49, 139 bmp
12,7:43, 140 bmp
13,7:42, 142 bmp
14,7:53, 141 bmp
1.15 mile back up the hill to home, 8:02/m
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Sep 2013
12:41pm, 12 Sep 2013
1,215 posts
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jog-on
Good stats Dr. Dan! 
So Im doing my 20miler this eve with 10 miles threshold built into the second half. Is it reasonable to need to fuel for this to get max benefits of the threshold activity or should I do the lot unfuelled (as I have been for easy long runs) Whats the pro's / cons to either option? My target race is my first Ultra (45miles) in about 4 weeks if that has a bearing on anything!
Thanks as usual
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Sep 2013
1:04pm, 12 Sep 2013
3,266 posts
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daviec
I wouldn't bother fuelling, but I've no basis for that other than I never bother.
I've had to drop this weekend's ultra race, so sub LT for me tomorrow as usual. I'm going to have a crack at the Great Scottish run in October, and hopefully be around about the 80 minute mark.
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Sep 2013
1:07pm, 12 Sep 2013
1,058 posts
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DrDan
Personally, I'd would not opt for any "during run" refuelling ... just be reasonably well fed in advance.
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Sep 2013
1:45pm, 12 Sep 2013
1,217 posts
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jog-on
cool - thanks guys.
As a matter of interest do yu guys fuel in races?
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Sep 2013
1:53pm, 12 Sep 2013
1,061 posts
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Tizer
I only ever tend to fuel in marathons (normally gel at 7,14,21) but I reckon I'll probably take a gel at my next half too see if it makes the last 5 miles any less painful. I'll drink water in a half but couldn't stomach anything, even water, at 10k pace
Did my first speed session in months at lunchtime. Now I know why I enjoy HADD base training and MP work so much. Ouch!
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Sep 2013
2:04pm, 12 Sep 2013
3,267 posts
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daviec
Aye, not a great fan of speedwork myself Tizer. Good on you for getting it done.
I don't fuel in races, although I will in my next marathon. At Edinburgh mara last year I did it as a 16 easy/10 hard training run, and used gels which really helped in the last few miles so I'm up for using them next time I race a marathon. For anything under I wouldn't feel the need. I'm not good at taking on food/water even at half mara pace. I'd maybe manage a swig of water in a 10k, but that would be about it.
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Sep 2013
2:39pm, 12 Sep 2013
3,919 posts
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paul the builder
davie - so have you never taken anything on board at any marathon *pre* last year's Edinburgh?
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Sep 2013
2:49pm, 12 Sep 2013
3,268 posts
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daviec
Just water Paul. I tried a mouthful of lucozade sport at a drink station at a previous Edinburgh and immediately felt sick so didn't have any more. At Paris 08 I just assumed a big city marathon would have more than water, which they didn't, and I grabbed a couple of jelly beans from a wee lassie at Loch Ness because she looked annoyed that nobody was taking any
I'm absolutely ravenous when I stop though. I actually had to physically fight myself from eating the orange peel when I got a segment at the end of Paris, and I even ate a banana after Edinburgh. If you knew how much I hate banana that would seem a lot more spectacular than it sounds, lol. TBF I'd also missed breakfast before that Edinburgh race because my hotel wasn't serving when I had to leave for the race.
I will definitely use gels for my next marathon, but they need to be caffeine free. My guts don't react so well to running in general, never mind running and caffeine combined!
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Sep 2013
3:10pm, 12 Sep 2013
3,920 posts
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paul the builder
This feels like a topic we've touched on before, but I think there's a good chance you not doing yourself justice (yet) over 26.2 is connected to that. I *know* Ron Hill back in the day etc. etc. etc.
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