May 2008
3:24pm, 2 May 2008
223 posts
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Cheers hellen. Well as we are similar speeds, I'm sure I'll get tired as you say. So yep, might have to miss recovery runs, or cut down mid-week longer runs. I'll definitely prioritise the long runs and tempo runs. Cheers.
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May 2008
3:28pm, 2 May 2008
672 posts
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Overall mileage is important, and you should realise that these plans will leave you tired. That's part of the effort of training. If you are doing the runs at the correct pace and have built a suitable base before starting, then you should be able to manage the plans without missing runs.
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May 2008
3:33pm, 2 May 2008
485 posts
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Widger
I have to say this week I am very tired I think though its more in my head, I know its the last week before taper and this is making me think I'm tired. The actual running seems to be ok though and there is no denying that I feel fitter than I've felt before, my times are getting faster and I've managed to get through this training plan with no running niggles [frantically starts touvhing wood]
That speaks volumes to me
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May 2008
3:36pm, 2 May 2008
3,477 posts
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hellen
I got very tierd a couple of weeks before the taper. I think part of that was due to doing a 30km race and 20mile race at PMP. Before that I did get tierd but not overly.
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May 2008
12:26pm, 6 May 2008
224 posts
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daviec - that's a really useful comment from you above. I wonder if I have been too scared of being tired. How tired do you think it's ok to be?
I sometimes get to the point where I can feel myself getting tired and irritatable at about 7pm, and I'm in bed at 9pm. And my legs just feel like they're going to burst, and I'll have a heart attack just from going up my stairs. I usually decide I need a bit of a break if I get to this point. Do you think I've been too easy on myself?
I'm tired at the moment too, in the last 6 weeks I've done the Manx Mountain Mountain (31m, 8000ft), FLM, and the Black Mountain Roundabout (25m, 7000ft). And I've been telling myself I need to recover from all this before I start marathon training again.
I'd appreciate your comments.
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May 2008
12:36pm, 6 May 2008
3,519 posts
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hellen
The juicer,
I think that tierd is ok, the sort of tierd where you want to go to bed at 9pm, but exhauseted it not ok, you sound exhausted, thats how I was the week after FLM and just before the taper. I never got to the stage where 'my legs feel they will burst' if you are at that stage then you are def not being easy on yourself, sounds like you need to rest more or do less strenuous workouts, perhaps slowing your recovery runs down.
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May 2008
12:42pm, 6 May 2008
522 posts
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Impossible is Nothing
I agree to an extent daviec but I have in the past made myself train when in hindsight the stiffness in my legs needed a bit more respect. Tiredness is certainly to be expected but the overall mileage can be sacrificed if this tiredness is getting too much. And sometimes our minds also get tired and need a rest.
The problem with schedules is always the one-size fits all and the straitjacket they can put you in. It is important to remain flexible. If P&D were your personal coaching team then they would adapt the schedule to cope with physical and mental tiredness if necessary.
Don't be a slave to the schedules. Push yourself, yes, but remember that their schedules are only one way of applying their principles.
Juicer - don't feel guilty if you think you're just too tired to run (call your slobbing on the sofa a recovery session :-)). It's difficult to be objective with tiredness but things like your legs still being stiff/sore after 10 minutes of running are messages to go home and chill. If taking an extra day off means you can run the progressive long run or threshold properly then go for it! Sometimes the tiredness is just in your head and so maybe that day take some music to listen to (by implication this means don't take music out normally!).
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May 2008
12:43pm, 6 May 2008
193 posts
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Pricey_
I think there are various things that affect tiredness. I used the "up to 70 mpw" schedule, starting at a base of 40 mpw. Within 3 weeks of starting the schedule I was running 60mpw. Those three weeks I felt tired, but afterwards I can't say I really felt tired. Every time I went for a run, I felt ready for it.
Everyone recovers at their own speed. I think I recover relatively quickly (it helps that I'm young - 27). If you don't recovery as quickly then maybe you need to allow more recovery. Feeling tired is okay, but it's better to work out if you can maintain that mileage without being tired. What is your diet like? How many carbs do you eat? How much sleep do you get? Do you have a hectic social life? Family? there are many things that can contribute to tiredness that can be altered.
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May 2008
1:53pm, 6 May 2008
225 posts
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See, now that's interesting, as you're talking about running on stiff and sore legs, and I don't really do that. If I get DOMs I'll usually wait a day or two before I get back running. When my legs are really tired, it's more like they weight 6 stone each, and it's a huge effort to run or go up stairs, and I just feel really lethargic and like I'm dragging myself around. Would all you guys run straight through your legs feeling like that?
I agree about the 'mental' aspect of tiredness too. I'm usually so enthusiastic that if I find myself not WANTING to do runs/events it's often my body's way of asking me to slow down. But I could be kidding myself.
For example, I've got another 25 mile mountain event coming up this Saturday, and I've been feeling like I don't want to do it. This is unheard of - I LOVE this sort of stuff. I had a 'wobble' up in the Lake District this Saturday just gone, when I felt so tired going up the Hillside I almost started crying. (Don't worry, I got a grip in the end!!)
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May 2008
3:03pm, 6 May 2008
3,524 posts
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hellen
I dont get that legs feel like 6 stone thing but sometimes when I have done intervals then body pump on the run home my legs do feel tierd but after 5-10mins they are ok. I think if I set off on a run and they felt like that after a mile still I would prob abandon the run or at least cut it very short.
Last summer when I was doing doubles my legs often felt tierd on the second run of the day but again they felt better after about a mile
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