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6 minute marathon PB on no long runs - where is the logic?

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Feb 2012
11:18am, 1 Feb 2012
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rf_fozzy
Gobi - interesting. I need to read more I think. I understand the viewpoint of not running longer than race time from an injury prevention point of view, but my argument would still be that you need to run 26.2miles in a marathon, so you need to be able to run 26 miles in training. Certainly for me anyway. It could be that this isn't sensible for the majority of people though.
Feb 2012
11:25am, 1 Feb 2012
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Curly45
Does Spedding advocate an overdistance I cant remember? Or is it just a 22 mile fartlek..?

A few peeps on MG do them, but mostly the time on feet run is accepted as enough - I think overdistance is really only for those who despite excellent mileage and speed and endurance cant quite seem to nil the conversion from 20 to full so would benefit from an overdistance 4-6 weeks out and then a period of recovery before the target race...

I have run 25 miles in training before and I didnt find it too bad to be honest, but as a current non marathon runner its not really important for me right now, if I am feeling recovered from my cough this weekend I might do 20 with OH...perfect 5k training ;)
Feb 2012
11:26am, 1 Feb 2012
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Curly45
Thats nail not nil! Sorry
Feb 2012
11:26am, 1 Feb 2012
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Gobi
Fozzy - If you are running a 3.30 marathon to do a 26.2 in training you are talking about a long run of 3.57 and 4.22.

If you run for 3hr and 57 minutes you risk the possibility of leaving your best marathon on the road in that training run and running for 4hrs and 22 minutes you run the risk of uneccessary injury due to the fact this long run would be so much longer than anything else you ever do.

Even my longest run ever in prep for a 100km was 7hr 30 mins (40 very slow offroad miles) The longest distance I ever ran 45 miles. I don't know anyone who does 100km in prep for a 100km.

Just saying.......
Feb 2012
11:39am, 1 Feb 2012
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rf_fozzy
Fair point Gobi.

I think I'm more concerned because I don't have much of an endurance background, and have blown up in long races by undertraining before. My 26mi run is 8wks out, so it should leave plenty of time before the actual marathon. I certainly wouldn't do 26 only 3 weeks out though (i.e. when you would normally do your longest run)
Feb 2012
11:42am, 1 Feb 2012
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Gobi
So people I coached do not do their longest run 3 weeks out either.

I'm just saying there are smarter ways to build the needed endurance.
Feb 2012
11:49am, 1 Feb 2012
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rf_fozzy
That's unusual isn't it? Most training plans I've seen have the longest run (22 usually) 3 weeks before race day.

I'm planning on 22 4 weeks out, 18 3 weeks out, 14 2 weeks out and 10 the week before (all with last 3-5miles at MP).
Feb 2012
11:53am, 1 Feb 2012
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daviec
Mine doesn't. My peak long run is scheduled for 7 weeks out. P&D 70-85 mpw plan.
Feb 2012
12:03pm, 1 Feb 2012
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Gobi
Nope not at all fozzy, I would expect to be doing a 20 miler 3 weeks out but not the longest run :¬)

I also wouldn't have it 7 weeks out either but then thats why I coach and don't use Puff Daddy

Free to use my own ideas
Feb 2012
12:08pm, 1 Feb 2012
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rf_fozzy
Ok, thanks Gobi - might re-jig the training plan a bit then. My plan is also my own that I've come up with. I don't like generic prescribed plans with no thought into them. If I had a coach, I'd happily follow their plan, because I would trust them to alter it if things needed to be changed, but I don't so I have to trust myself and my own plans

I'll have to see how things fit together. I have been advised to replace my long run 4 weeks out with a HM, but at the moment I can find one close enough, so will have to see. Want to keep things flexible anyway in case I have to cut-back or change plans.

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