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Big_G Dec 2021 6:42pm, 30 Dec 2021 1,349 posts	Quote Pin Big_G kaysdee, I think the reporting of incidentals was changed in June but I’ll check later.
Big_G Dec 2021 6:46pm, 30 Dec 2021 1,350 posts	Quote Pin Big_G Regarding incidental reporting, the below paragraph is from this link, so it was changed in June 2021 it appears. england.nhs.uk "The headline published numbers in publications to date have been “inpatients with confirmed Covid” without differentiating between those in hospital “for” Covid and those in hospital “with” Covid. Recognising the combination of high community infections rates, with the reduced likelihood of admission for those who contract Covid in the community and are fully vaccinated, the Covid SitRep was enhanced in June 2021 to add a requirement for providers to distinguish between those being primarily treated ‘for’ Covid and those ‘with’ Covid but for whom the primary reason for being in hospital was non-Covid related. In practice this distinction is not always clear at the point of admission when the patient’s record has not been fully clinically coded. In light of this, trusts have been asked to provide this “for” and “with” split on a ‘best endeavours’ basis".
geordiegirl Dec 2021 7:17pm, 30 Dec 2021 16,711 posts	Quote Pin geordiegirl I have a few friends working if different hospitals in north east they have a lot of cases where the patient has gone in for other reasons and contracted Covid in hospital. So you could say without the hospital stay they may not have become infected. Is ICU rates as high as the peak of Covid in 2020?
Bazoaxe Dec 2021 7:51pm, 30 Dec 2021 21,588 posts	Quote Pin Bazoaxe ICU numbers in Scotland have been reducing in recent days.
Weath Dec 2021 7:53pm, 30 Dec 2021 776 posts	Quote Pin Weath Are those admissions with covid or because of? How many are incidentals that are admissions for other reasons? Suggestion of an approx. 30/70% split depending on local wherabouts.
Big_G Dec 2021 7:53pm, 30 Dec 2021 1,352 posts	Quote Pin Big_G geordiegirl, that document I posted at the top of the last page has lots of info from ICU. In terms of accuracy, it says this from their About page: icnarc.org "Currently 100% of adult, general critical care units participate in the CMP. Other specialist units, including neurosciences, cardiac and high dependency units, also participate. The CMP is open to both NHS (publically funded) and independent sector critical care units". From that report I posted (dated 24 Dec 2021), there is this graph: If this data is not accurate or there are issues with it, as always I genuinely would like to know. Of course, we can only go by what data is present at this time and lots more data is getting created, and we know things may change after Xmas/New Year. On the main government report it talks about "Patients in ventilation beds". I suspect it is safe to assume that if a patient is in a ventilation bed they are in fact getting ventilation, but it is not clear to me. I also can see that the numbers quoted on this report seem different to what is in the ICU report above. coronavirus.data.gov.uk
Weath Dec 2021 7:54pm, 30 Dec 2021 777 posts	Quote Pin Weath (Missing link from my previous post) theguardian.com
Little Miss Happy Dec 2021 7:17am, 31 Dec 2021 5,488 posts	Quote Pin Little Miss Happy I'm not questioning the accuracy of the data it's the interpretation of what it means to the NHS that I don't agree with. As I (and jda) said - less people requiring hospital admission because of Omicron when there are such high numbers of infections still puts the NHS under huge strain. Likewise it doesn't matter if they attend hospital as a result of CV19 or are diagnosed with it whilst there - the nursing care required is different - and it's not just having a full ICU that means that the NHS are overwhelmed. It's not just the attitude from some on here either - it's a widespread one. I get that everyone wants to look on the bright side etc but feel as though the needs of and issues for those working 'on the frontline' as it were are being overlooked. The NHS is sort staffed without staff sickness or self isolation, without CV19 and without winter flu pressures. Staff are exhausted and increasingly suffering from MH issues but all lots of people seem to be worried about is being able to continue to do whatever they want with no restrictions. Yes, I could have been one of those people whose lives weren't really affected but I wouldn't have been able to live with myself if I hadn't have done what I could to help. It's why I can't walk away from it even when I feel I would really like to. I want there to be an end in sight as much if not more than most. I'd like to get back to being able to run more than twice a week, to not working more hours than I can really handle without risking my physical and mental health, to be less stressed and have time with my husband, to go away for a foreign holiday. I'm sure there are many who have stepped up to help who feel the same way - in fact I know there are because I work with many of them.
Ultracat Dec 2021 8:00am, 31 Dec 2021 13,898 posts	Quote Pin Ultracat LMH hoping downtime is sooner rather than later for you and everyone under pressure.
jda Dec 2021 8:18am, 31 Dec 2021 11,594 posts	Quote Pin jda This tidal wave is certainly coming, the govt’s plan seems to be to cross their fingers and hope that it’s not too horrible but we simply don’t know yet. After that, it depends whether and when we get another variant that substantially evades immunity. Again, a lot of finger crossing going on. It could easily be back next winter, but maybe not if we’re lucky. One of the (young, fit) members of my zwift cycling team blacked out and had an ambulance called yesterday. He’d tested positive over Christmas, and wasn’t doing anything strenuous at the time. Just a bit short of breath. He seems ok now but that’s not the sort of thing that happens with colds and flu.