The Environment Thread :-)
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10 Jun
6:01pm, 10 Jun 2025
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K5 Gus
Ahh, on re-reading just spotted HG's "....plus storage" - so in theory we can store enough renewable energy when ideal conditions to sustain calm/dark periods ??
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10 Jun
8:02pm, 10 Jun 2025
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jda
There’s some capacity-building to be done for sure…
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10 Jun
9:07pm, 10 Jun 2025
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HappyG(rrr)
K5 Gus wrote: Ahh, on re-reading just spotted HG's "....plus storage" - so in theory we can store enough renewable energy when ideal conditions to sustain calm/dark periods ?? Yip - that. Local batteries in home, regional at sub stations, central in battery farms and pump hydro. Could deploy battery tech, solar and wind farms in 1 - 5 years, not 10- 15 for a single nuclear station. And nuclear waste. Aaargh |
10 Jun
9:31pm, 10 Jun 2025
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rf_fozzy
K5 Gus wrote: I've not studied how the grid is made up in any great detail, in fact barely at all. If we are to switch off coal/gas generators at some point in the future, don't we need something else, like nuclear, to fill in the gaps when the renewables don't work, eg at night when there's no wind ?? Or is there already something else to fill this gap if there's no coal/gas ? Apols if that's a newbie question Well for starters, the UK has no coal on the grid as of 8months ago (and it's supplied less than 5% since about 2018 - data here: mygridgb.co.uk ) Gas use for electricity is already falling and has been for about 5 years now too. The difference is composed of mostly wind, but an increasingly important solar fleet. The challenge(s) are getting the battery/storage (and it's going to be mostly battery as reservoir storage schemes aren't going to happen - I'd be surprised if one gets built personally) infrastructure in to balance load and prevent curtailment And how fast do we switch off the existing nuclear fleet that really should have been retired 10 years ago, but certain govts kept kicking cans down roads and banning wind farms... |
10 Jun
11:28pm, 10 Jun 2025
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Dvorak
"Battery farms", or large industrial installations primarily in rural areas, to better describe them, are not without potential issues currently.
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10 Jun
11:36pm, 10 Jun 2025
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rf_fozzy
Dvorak wrote: "Battery farms", or large industrial installations primarily in rural areas, to better describe them, are not without potential issues currently. Yep. They're called the Nimbys. |
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10 Jun
11:37pm, 10 Jun 2025
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rf_fozzy
It's 5G masts all over again
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11 Jun
7:07am, 11 Jun 2025
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HappyG(rrr)
Dvorak wrote: "Battery farms", or large industrial installations primarily in rural areas, to better describe them, are not without potential issues currently. What issues are there Dvorak? |
11 Jun
10:03am, 11 Jun 2025
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B Rubble
HappyG(rrr) wrote: Dvorak wrote:"Battery farms", or large industrial installations primarily in rural areas, to better describe them, are not without potential issues currently. What issues are there Dvorak? I think it's concerns over fire safety. bbc.co.uk There's a certain public perception, certainly in the areas where these are due to be built: "If they do go up in flames it would be catastrophic." |
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11 Jun
10:19am, 11 Jun 2025
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HappyG(rrr)
B Rubble wrote: HappyG(rrr) wrote:Dvorak wrote:"Battery farms", or large industrial installations primarily in rural areas, to better describe them, are not without potential issues currently. What issues are there Dvorak? I think it's concerns over fire safety. bbc.co.uk There's a certain public perception, certainly in the areas where these are due to be built: "If they do go up in flames it would be catastrophic." Public perception is wrong. And we need to work to communicate better to poorly informed people. I mean, versus a NUCLEAR f-in power station, with *guaranteed* toxic waste for 000s of years and risk of radiation leak if there is *any* kind of damage over multi decades operation? Sheesh!  G
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