Oct 2018
5:21pm, 24 Oct 2018
239 posts
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deslauriers
J2R- I think some people would never get it. However, I think many others would be able to change their mind claiming (rightly)they had Ben misled. Thereby saving face. Of course, I'd rather they did it now. As a barometer of the changing mood, the Daily Mail has softened its tone considerably. |
Oct 2018
5:31pm, 24 Oct 2018
1,472 posts
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J2R
Isn't the Daily Mail change more to do with the noxious Paul Dacre no longer being editor, though? (He has my vote for the person who has done the most damage to Britain in the last 25 years, although Theresa May seems keen to get her hand on the trophy).
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Oct 2018
6:04pm, 24 Oct 2018
240 posts
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deslauriers
Yes, Grieg was/is a Remainer. But it's telling that the owners felt they could install a Remainer in charge of possibly the most virulently anti-EU of all the UK mainstream media. Agreed on Dacre. A walking bag of bile. May manages to combine being crap at everything with a dose of malice, lightly sprinkled with stunned ineptitude. I doubt we've ever had a worse PM. |
Oct 2018
6:53pm, 24 Oct 2018
7,698 posts
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simbil
In very rare defense of the Daily Mail, I reckon the Daily Express is even worse. Google 'daily express front pages' images and you'll see a relentless negative message about immigrants and/or the EU.
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Oct 2018
7:00pm, 24 Oct 2018
241 posts
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deslauriers
Daily Express has just stopped claiming MI5/Mossad/CIA/Freemasons/Aliens killed Diana. Senile, sclerotic people who rage against anything that deviates from their views. Life must be so hard for them. |
Oct 2018
8:30pm, 24 Oct 2018
17,356 posts
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ChrisHB
I would reckon Cameron as far worse than May, but in his first five years his hands were part-tied by the Lib Dems.
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Oct 2018
8:54pm, 24 Oct 2018
1,473 posts
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J2R
So, if there is some miraculous last minute unforeseeable change on the Irish border question which allows the UK and the EU to come to a deal, this is the reality of what comes next: ig.ft.com It's a list of 759 treaties and international agreements that Britain will lose after Brexit. This is not Project Fear, this is stark, unarguable reality. For the foreseeable future, a huge effort will have to be made by Britain to renegotiate a very large number of these, just so we can eventually get back to near where we are now. And we don't seem to have an overabundance of highly skilled negotiators twiddling their thumbs, do we? |
Oct 2018
9:27pm, 24 Oct 2018
3,209 posts
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jdarun
You don't need to remind us J2R, it's long been clear to everyone who has paid attention that the best possible outcome is a complete shitshow and it's unlikely we will get off that easily.
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Oct 2018
11:20pm, 24 Oct 2018
1,474 posts
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J2R
Sorry, jda, just venting really. I feel like I'm on the Titanic, this time with clear, advance notice of the iceberg, but no change of plan.
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Oct 2018
11:23pm, 24 Oct 2018
13,406 posts
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Chrisull
So J2R you're telling us that our untrained athlete if they survive the 2 mile swim next has a 112 mile bike ride to do, just to get to the marathon? How cruel, how cruel. And of course the athlete still thinks they can do it in 10 minutes, while their coach says they should do it in 5 else give up. |
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