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Dec 2019
5:00pm, 6 Dec 2019
22 posts
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bundance
I'll have a good read at the content. I'm not the kind of person that would ever punt a single solution (except barefoot running  ) and am not good at following a fixed schedule. I just like ideas that I can incorporate when they seem to be most useful. The more ideas understood, the more options for variety and paths to success.
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Dec 2019
5:05pm, 6 Dec 2019
47,850 posts
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The Mighty Fleecy
I think the idea behind Furman is that it gives you a lot of structure and guidance and that most runners don’t do enough cross training so are likely to get over-use injuries. I found when I did Furman that I didn’t run less, actually my mileage went up! I quite liked having tough goals to aim for and tick off, and I have always done and continue to do lots of cross training.
That said I have a niggle right now so will have to have that sorted before I think about a target race and sorting out the weekly runs.
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Dec 2019
5:13pm, 6 Dec 2019
11,406 posts
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Garfield
I bought the book ages ago but hadn't had the chance to read it...something for me to do over Christmas break. I know I investigated way back when, printed sheets off then forgot about it all! Back then I tended to do all running exercise as I was commute running a lot more than I currently am.
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Dec 2019
10:36am, 8 Dec 2019
1,301 posts
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Lills
Thanks for the comments.
The paces for the tempo and long runs are doable, I’ll just do what I can for the speedwork, and hopefully as I get fitter I’ll achieve them, certainly for the shorter intervals.
I’m not sure I can find the time for longer cross training, I currently swim 2.5 - 3km of quite hard front crawl twice a week. I think it helps with lung capacity and I love it because it’s the opposite of running! I appreciate what you are saying about doing lots of specific cross training though.
Normally I try to run 4 times a week, so I’m wondering whether I’m better to add a 4th run to the program. But then I’m not technically following the program if I do that!!
I’m doing Manchester and I need to start training soon. The first week has me doing 3x1600m at 7:40 pace. I can’t remember the last time I ran below an 8mm! I guess if I give it a go, I’ll know where I’m at!
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Dec 2019
2:48pm, 8 Dec 2019
47,877 posts
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The Mighty Fleecy
Yeah the whole point is to do cross training instead of that 4th run!
That’s a tough first week, those mile reps are horrible...
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Dec 2019
11:10am, 9 Dec 2019
33,578 posts
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Merry Christmas & Happy New G(rrr)
Maybe your swim will be enough. The idea is that if you do did those paces for the 3 x Quality runs, then you'd break yourself if you *also* did e.g. 3 x general / recovery runs. But if you do them as bike or swim or row, you'll be grand. Obviously it's not black and white, so doing one run extra *might* be OK. If you do 2 x extra runs you're effectively just doing P&D or Hal Higdon or any other programme. Plus you've got the pain / risk of the 3 x Quality runs being too hard.
Could you do 1 x aerobics class? Or a different type of swim e.g. sprinting or a different stroke or something (I don't know what variation you can do on swimming). Something to use / tire your legs plus work you harder than "just" easy swimming?
Apologies if this is off base. I did row and spin bike as my XT, as well as swim, and I'm not knowledgeable on swim at all. Best of luck. G
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Dec 2019
11:17am, 9 Dec 2019
47,891 posts
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The Mighty Fleecy
I would do a HIIT class or something to work your core and legs and arms. Once you start upping the paces and adding speed endurance those things become more important.
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Dec 2019
4:04pm, 10 Dec 2019
1,303 posts
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Lills
Thanks for all your input. While swimming is great because it doesn’t really work your legs so much, in the furman plan I can see that perhaps cross training that does work your legs would be more beneficial. I could consider a spinning class maybe. Thanks guys, I’ll keep reading around this.
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Dec 2019
4:07pm, 10 Dec 2019
33,620 posts
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Merry Christmas & Happy New G(rrr)
Excellent Lills, best of luck. Keep us posted on how you find it. My reports on how I managed with pace etc. are all in my blog and lunaman's too, linked in sidebar, over there > > > G
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Dec 2019
9:19pm, 10 Dec 2019
11,440 posts
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Garfield
Lills - Try swimming with a flutter board in front of you, and rest your hands on the board, face in the water making your legs do all the work... you should feel it! I used to feel it when they made us do it in swim club eons ago!
NB, don't bend at the knees when doing flutter kick...whole leg should be doing the work, along with the glutes helping.
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