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Jan 2012
3:39pm, 31 Jan 2012
2,142 posts
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daviec
D2D you're just saying the same thing over and over. Your thread title suggests that you've found some magic way to run a good marathon without long runs. Actually all you've done is complete the distance. This is not new, there are plenty of people on here who can run 26.2 miles at their 10k + 81s without long runs. And anyone can run a PB at a distance they haven't been particularly good at previously.
I think you could take another 5 minutes of that marathon PB this weekend if you wanted to as you're nowhere near your potential. It would still be a fairly easy run. I also agree that you'll get faster contiuing to train as you do, and you're marathon will get better as well, BUT it'll still be poor in relation to your 5k/10k times.
Have a look down the PB list on your profile page paying atention to the WAVA column. 5k is 71.38%, marathon is 62.59%. That's a massive gap.
I suppose I'll try to answer the thread question, which is what I've been trying to do with maybe too much subtelty. "where is the logic?"
Here it is: you're marathon PB was very soft, and it still is. It can easily be improved without long runs, but with long runs it'll improve further. You've already said that you don't really like long slow runs so you should just accept that your marathon PB will continue to be relatively poor compared to your other distances. You think it works for you, but I think the evidence says otherwise.
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Jan 2012
3:52pm, 31 Jan 2012
195 posts
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Devoted2Distance
What exactly is the WAVA column?
I didn't plan to start a huge debate on here, I was simply saying that personally I think 6 minutes off a previous marathon PB is pretty good going on no long runs. And I'll continue to think that regardless. I understand that my times can be bettered on doing longer runs at a more consecutive pace but let's remember, I started this race wondering whether I'd even get a sub 4 - yet I came out with a 3.36.
I just think there is so much 'fear' drummed up out there in the running community about HAVING to do this and do that in order to even complete a marathon. It's almost an unwritten rule that you HAVE to do these long runs otherwise you won't even make it beyond 15 miles, almost as if your body will forget what to do when it reaches a certain mile point.
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Jan 2012
3:59pm, 31 Jan 2012
38,989 posts
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plodding hippo
It does forget
For the record, I dont do long runs either, nor "conventional " training
But my times a re rubbish
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Jan 2012
4:01pm, 31 Jan 2012
196 posts
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Devoted2Distance
I'm not saying my times are spectacular (but they're certainly not shocking - 3.36 got me 4th Senior Woman in that race) I'm just saying I was pleased with an unexpected 5 minute PB, no need to get your skins in a twist
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Jan 2012
4:04pm, 31 Jan 2012
23 posts
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themoabird
I ran my quickest marathon off one long run the week before. And I was much slower in the marathon I trained for. But my quickest marathon wasn't anywhere as near as quick as my 10km pace would suggest it should have been, so... it's not clear that it showed anything.
There is one thing, though. If you train hard for a marathon, you're much more likely to get injured - and not end up on the start line. So it might well be the case that if you're prone to injury, then your best bet of a quick(ish) marathon is smaller mileage. It's just you'd probably run faster if your body would tolerate longer mileage.
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Jan 2012
4:04pm, 31 Jan 2012
287 posts
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HermanBloom
All I can say is, from a personal point of view, your marathon PB is far from soft!
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Jan 2012
4:06pm, 31 Jan 2012
197 posts
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Devoted2Distance
'If you train hard for a marathon, you're much more likely to get injured - and not end up on the start line. So it might well be the case that if you're prone to injury, then your best bet of a quick(ish) marathon is smaller mileage. It's just you'd probably run faster if your body would tolerate longer mileage.'
Totally agree
'All I can say is, from a personal point of view, your marathon PB is far from soft!'
Again agreed. Hasn't that guy just insulted EVERYONE that has a slower than 3.36 marathon PB?
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Jan 2012
4:08pm, 31 Jan 2012
12,975 posts
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Pestomum
No. Not at all. For you, your marathon PB *is* soft. You are not achieving your potential. But that's your choice.
(Mara PB 4:50. Which was a 20 - odd minute improvement off previous race. With lsr's)
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Jan 2012
4:08pm, 31 Jan 2012
15,921 posts
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SPR
*Circular Reference Warning* continuing to argue may harm your health!
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Jan 2012
4:09pm, 31 Jan 2012
2,143 posts
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daviec
Well quite frankly D2D you don't have a clue. You can run a 10k at 6.54/mile but you weren't sure if you could complete a marathon at 9.10/mile? I think you're at it.
Which "running community" is it you think drums up fear, given that you don't run with a club? (where you'd have found out what a reasonable time to aim for would have been)
There are plenty of marathon plans that don't include really long runs, and definitely some "get you round" plans for those just aiming to finish and not worried about their time (like you) that don't have much in the way of long runs. Not what I'd call drumming up fear.
There aren't many that say to achieve your potential at marathon distance you can get by without any long runs. Here's a suggestion, why don't you gear up for your next marathon without long runs and aim to race it at about 7.30/mile pace. That's the pace your 10k time suggests you could do a marathon at. Then dig up this thread and we'll see how you get on. Then we can properly discuss the merits of long training runs and marathons.
Or... you can just keep doing what you do, and run your marathons at a pace that's too slow for long runs but somehow acceptable on race day! And tell yourself you did amazing each time you PB.
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