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Jan 2012
3:44pm, 30 Jan 2012
2,136 posts
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daviec
D2D, don't be perplexed. Look at the bigger picture. A 15, a 16 and an 18 in training isn't really doing much wrt long runs either. You also clearly run them too hard if you run them at your "natural pace". You say you find it hard to run slower, and yet you ran the marathon at 8:15/mile. And looking at your other distances you're not reaching your HM potential based on your 10k time, and you ran your marathon at 45s/mile slower than your HM PB pace.
Maybe if you ran your long runs slower and did a few more you'd find that even that new mara PB is a soft one.
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Jan 2012
3:56pm, 30 Jan 2012
1,285 posts
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jacko
also
looking at your log you tend to run similar distances at similar pace try and vary pace more ie very eay and also faster just to get your body familiar with these,
try and introduce more speed work and try and go long ie 15m to 20m @ very slow pace ( sometimes i run 2min per mile slower that my mara pace ) you just have to practise and it will get easier and you will become stronger and faster in the end
thats my opinion others may say different
good look
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Jan 2012
5:08pm, 30 Jan 2012
46,129 posts
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Gobi
As davie says you were running the long runs way too hard. So in all other marathons starting knackered.
There is no such thing as my natural pace, it just comes down to discipline. Looking at your short speed with a bit of smart disciplined training you will run much faster
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Jan 2012
5:57pm, 30 Jan 2012
782 posts
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Mr Alf Tupper
i went to look at your training but stoped at this statement -
"I don't drink or eat meat - haven't done for 10 years and won't be going back now. All about the clean living!"
Who drinks meat?
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Jan 2012
6:00pm, 30 Jan 2012
12,057 posts
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Fenland Runner
Genetics is the answer, you're blessed. Well done 
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Jan 2012
6:06pm, 30 Jan 2012
694 posts
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monsenb1
bovril
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Jan 2012
6:12pm, 30 Jan 2012
12,060 posts
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Fenland Runner
I'd be interested on how positive you were before running the marathon on no lsrs? Were you relaxed and not bothered? Or confident in your ability?
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Jan 2012
8:19pm, 30 Jan 2012
175 posts
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Devoted2Distance
Thanks for all the comments, some interesting views...
Hehe I never drank meat - I just have an odd way of wording things! It sounds good in my head, honest.
Fenland - I went into it thinking 'this is a training run - I don't care about the time I get' (even though I wanted sub 4 - what a contradiction) - but then when the gun went off and I settled into a decent pace, I thought I may as well make the most of this... I was going so well it seemed silly not to take advantage... went past 16, 17, 18 - fine - then thought if I get to 20 and I'm still fine I'm having a really good day! 20 fine... 21 fine... etc etc.
I think the laps helped - I like laps as I know what is coming and can pace myself properly. Also, feed station - I was able to leave two little mini cans of Coca Cola (don't do isotonic) and had 1/2 a Freddo bar on me so that helped too (unconventional fuel but works for me)
I was confident in my ability for sure - I knew I'd run 7 marathons previously and was up to the distance. I don't do DNF, once I commit to something, I'll see it through 'til the end.
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Jan 2012
9:01pm, 30 Jan 2012
12,070 posts
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Fenland Runner
D2D, very interesting as running wise I have the opinion that a significant proportion of runners run 'best' when not under pressure but they are confident. Due to not caring about time your body can relax and get into a decent rhythm. Trying to force the pace can be counter-productive, 'just' letting it happen may be advantageous.
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Jan 2012
9:55pm, 30 Jan 2012
179 posts
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Devoted2Distance
Fenland - my thoughts exactly. I had no expectations of myself in this race whatsoever. I only decided to run it a week before. Didn't even know if I'd get in. Definitely wasn't forcing anything - then when I got to 18/19 miles I thought, I may as well carry this on strong 'til the end since it's going so well.
How to apply this logic to London though... ! At least I'm in GFA pen so hopefully a (somewhat) quicker getaway than mass start?
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