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Jan 2009
3:53pm, 29 Jan 2009
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Hanneke
I use taut with salts Hendo, works a treat... used to get cramp a lot, but no longer. Oh, what are those shot blocks you mentioned? I know Gobi mentioned them some time ago when I asked after them, maybe I should try them?
Mind you, I have found a small squeezy bottle that wil hold the quantity of about 4 gels I reckon, so I am going to try that out with a mixture of honey and salt next time around... and look on the honey stinger gels and see what else is in there...
I recover very quickly... usually, after a hard run or ride, I just have a meal, like a veggie curry or stir fry or something and lots to drink, as I do drink during exercise, but still tend to feel the need to top up, even though I usually am desperate for the loo after a ride/run...
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Jan 2009
3:55pm, 29 Jan 2009
44,803 posts
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Hanneke
I was given some Hammer powder to try, by a client... I foudn it awful, even though thsi is totally natural... based on whey powder though and very sort of milkey. I took one sip of it on the bike and it made me puke! Well, almost, it would have done on a second sip...
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Jan 2009
3:55pm, 29 Jan 2009
21,742 posts
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Hendo
Just my experience really Han. When I come back from a run I will often have a milkshake or something as a quick fix before eating properly.
Shot blox I am trying out. You can get ones with caffeine in, and ones with extra salt too, which I am trying cos I suffer from cramps in marathons and srs hard racing.
Have a look on Wiggle for them.
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Jan 2009
3:56pm, 29 Jan 2009
21,743 posts
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Hendo
Oh, and I certainly wouldn't have protein stuff *during* training!
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Jan 2009
3:56pm, 29 Jan 2009
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Gobi
No Han, I don't use protein while racing I mean generally as a meal replacement in day to day life or as an extra meal if I am trying to put on weight.
Han your coach is right, that is a ludicrusly low amount of food etc on the 2.5 hour
Agree that nothing is needed for the 1st hour although a drink would not go amiss
ps. the guy is a cycling coach and is looking to help you perform better don't you think he MIGHT know what he is talking about?
pps. I can run a 3.15 marathon on no fluids or gels BUT it does not make it right or smart.
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Jan 2009
3:57pm, 29 Jan 2009
44,804 posts
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Hanneke
I have a look at Wiggle for the shot blox. I found that adding salt to my drinks sorted the cramping problems Hendo, so worth a try!
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Jan 2009
4:08pm, 29 Jan 2009
44,805 posts
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Hanneke
I am not talking aboutr right or smart, I am talking about not wanting to eat stuff I don't need to eat... If I am not hungry or lacking in energy, why should I need to eat more? Also, I am a vegetarian, have been for absolutely ages and have never suffered any ill effects from it, quite the contrary, so I don't see why I should suddenly be lacking protein?
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Jan 2009
4:09pm, 29 Jan 2009
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B.B.
Your question was about protein, but I think you're actually asking about energy drinks and food during exercise.
Protein - I think it has a major part to play for anyone training seriously in terms of muscle repair and recovery from hard sessions. But it's not needed during exercise, I don't think. There are some good recovery drink products, and protein bars. If you're doing weights or resistance training then protein before a workout is also good.
Energy drinks / gels - I think it's crucial for any racing (and high intensity training) over an hour. If you're going easy for 90 mins then I'm fine without anything (even water)
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Jan 2009
4:11pm, 29 Jan 2009
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Hanneke
Yes, I agree, that is why I took a gel and drank energy drink during my 2.5 hour ride... however, I don't want to be drinking protein stuff, just because someone thinsk that because I don't eat meat I need more protein!
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Jan 2009
4:13pm, 29 Jan 2009
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Slowboy
....and if you eat an average western type diet you'll be taking in so much protein that you'll be pissing it away in a 'money down the drain' fashion if you start using supplements as well.
If you're veggie you may have to be a little more careful in terms of overall diet to make sure you are getting enough - but generally we eat far more than we need.
I'd say supplements become important only if your basic diet is off kilter - and you'd be better off sorting out that problem. A protein shake as a stop-gap after a weekly long run is one thing, but if you're using one every day you're either over-doing it, and you'll get no benefit, or you should be looking at getting your basic eating habits sorted.
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