The vaporfly thread
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Feb 2020
9:46am, 17 Feb 2020
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JR
Bazo - 90 seconds on a 10K (gone from 38:30 to just over 37) and for the 5km almost a minute off. As a percentage that is massive.
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Feb 2020
9:55am, 17 Feb 2020
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Gobi
I wish I was getting these gains
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Feb 2020
10:22am, 17 Feb 2020
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FreshStart
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Feb 2020
10:33am, 17 Feb 2020
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Canute
Ross Tucker's article discusses the preliminary evidence regarding the wide range of responses to VF. sportsscientists.com There is a risk that one of the important factors determining not only who wins Olympic gold, but also who has a better chance of GFA for London will be who is blessed with a good response to VF type shoes. |
Feb 2020
10:41am, 17 Feb 2020
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SKR
JR you are expected to get faster over consecutive marathon training seasons even if you don't switch up your training. i've been running in Vaporflys since 2018 and have recorded faster times in and out of the shoes. So it definitely cannot be "just the shoes" |
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Feb 2020
11:35am, 17 Feb 2020
42 posts
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JR
Two of those clubmates actually said to me that it was the shoes. Their direct comment was "I am fit but not THAT good shape" another when I congratulated them on their 92% age grading - "It's the shoes" (they improved by 40 seconds on their 5km time which had been on or around the same time for a couple of months & improved the week after wearing the shoes to race).
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Feb 2020
11:49am, 17 Feb 2020
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larkim
I think broadly you have to take individual perception about whether it is "the shoes" for them / their performance at face value. It's not going to be possible to get a proper scientific judgement on each individual so we have to trust their account, knowing their own training, weight, fitness, etc. But I read the various stats / research as being fairly conclusive that there is a strong likelihood that an individual step forward in performance for which the only significant change is wearing the shoes / not wearing the shoes, will be due to the VFs on their feet. In terms of the non-responders, it does seem that they are in the minority - there aren't forums full of people complaining "I bought the shoes but they didn't make me faster". I think the more imporant bit currently is the anecdotes coming through from reliable runners / sources which *might* indicate injury risk for *some* runners in them. |
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Feb 2020
12:20pm, 17 Feb 2020
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Gobi
Larks - I like the feel but I'm not running faster over 5 or 10km in them. I used them on the track for 800 and 1500 instead of spikes again nothing spectacular. I havent found 10 seconds a mile.
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Feb 2020
12:39pm, 17 Feb 2020
15,945 posts
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Bazoaxe
That’s my thoughts. The shoes do help but for me not by that much. I improved by one minute at hm and marathon. I also improved at 5k by 13 seconds but that was in flyknit. My training times in flyknit also improved broadly in line with the race times I saw.
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Feb 2020
12:40pm, 17 Feb 2020
43 posts
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JR
A 1 minute improvement due to shoes could mean the difference between getting a GFA & missing out.
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