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So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005

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larkim
I truly doubt it's that simple. If it was corporate greed there'd be whistle blowers a-plenty. Loads of people would love to see Sky fail (and obviously Sky is no longer there, and it was never "just" Sky).
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Chrisull
But would there be whistleblowers a plenty? Look at the Armstrong years and the omerta that meant that people from Bassons and Kimmage who were effectively frozen out of the sport for daring to state the blindingly obvious. What changes have happened to make sure the same situation could not exist today?
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paulcook
Don’t know if it makes a difference, but apparently this scandal was all started by the Russian Fancy Bears leak. Did they just throw enough mud and were lucky one stuck or was there more info? It’s so far back I can’t fully remember how plausible or even damning their info was.
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Velociraptor
Freeman would have taken everyone down with him that he could have taken.
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larkim
Freeman would have taken everyone down with him that he could have taken.

That's what's odd. He has nothing to lose now, why not throw others under a bus when he could salvage some scraps of reputation by dishing the dirt (if there is any).
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12:13pm, 16 Aug 2023
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Chrisull
Because what he has to tell is earth shattering and would make his life more difficult than it already is?
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Chrisull
Not saying that's the case, but it would be a reason.
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12:16pm, 16 Aug 2023
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Bazoaxe
I am not sure how much worse things can get for him. In fact outlining his role in amongst others would arguably make things less bad for him.
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K5 Gus
He has nothing to lose now, why not throw others under a bus when he could salvage some scraps of reputation by dishing the dirt (if there is any).

You don't know he has nothing to lose, perhaps he is being financially ( or otherwise ) compensated by those who don't want to be thrown under a bus ??
Aug 2023
3:36pm, 16 Aug 2023
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larkim
That's a conspiracy theory too far for me Im afraid. He's lost just about everything, his professional career, his mental health, his reputation, his job. That there might be some "omerta" out there paying him for his suffering just to keep quiet? Sorry, don't buy one ounce of that.

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