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So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005

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larkim Aug 2023 7:49am, 16 Aug 2023 21,741 posts	Quote Pin larkim I truly doubt it's that simple. If it was corporate greed there'd be whistle blowers a-plenty. Loads of people would love to see Sky fail (and obviously Sky is no longer there, and it was never "just" Sky).
Chrisull Aug 2023 9:25am, 16 Aug 2023 20,616 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull But would there be whistleblowers a plenty? Look at the Armstrong years and the omerta that meant that people from Bassons and Kimmage who were effectively frozen out of the sport for daring to state the blindingly obvious. What changes have happened to make sure the same situation could not exist today?
paulcook Aug 2023 9:32am, 16 Aug 2023 3,156 posts	Quote Pin paulcook Don’t know if it makes a difference, but apparently this scandal was all started by the Russian Fancy Bears leak. Did they just throw enough mud and were lucky one stuck or was there more info? It’s so far back I can’t fully remember how plausible or even damning their info was.
Velociraptor Aug 2023 10:13am, 16 Aug 2023 64,964 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor Freeman would have taken everyone down with him that he could have taken.
larkim Aug 2023 12:09pm, 16 Aug 2023 21,742 posts	Quote Pin larkim Freeman would have taken everyone down with him that he could have taken. That's what's odd. He has nothing to lose now, why not throw others under a bus when he could salvage some scraps of reputation by dishing the dirt (if there is any).
Chrisull Aug 2023 12:13pm, 16 Aug 2023 20,620 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull Because what he has to tell is earth shattering and would make his life more difficult than it already is?
Chrisull Aug 2023 12:14pm, 16 Aug 2023 20,621 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull Not saying that's the case, but it would be a reason.
Bazoaxe Aug 2023 12:16pm, 16 Aug 2023 25,440 posts	Quote Pin Bazoaxe I am not sure how much worse things can get for him. In fact outlining his role in amongst others would arguably make things less bad for him.
K5 Gus Aug 2023 12:18pm, 16 Aug 2023 5,855 posts	Quote Pin K5 Gus He has nothing to lose now, why not throw others under a bus when he could salvage some scraps of reputation by dishing the dirt (if there is any). You don't know he has nothing to lose, perhaps he is being financially ( or otherwise ) compensated by those who don't want to be thrown under a bus ??
larkim Aug 2023 3:36pm, 16 Aug 2023 21,743 posts	Quote Pin larkim That's a conspiracy theory too far for me Im afraid. He's lost just about everything, his professional career, his mental health, his reputation, his job. That there might be some "omerta" out there paying him for his suffering just to keep quiet? Sorry, don't buy one ounce of that.