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Nov 2013
12:58pm, 19 Nov 2013
5 posts
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JonP1
I should have added though, I dont normally follow plans - first time round I was a bit lack luster at following the one I originally set out to follow - and also I probably built my long runs milage up to quickly, instead of adding into it slightly week on week - which I will do better next time round (as well as following the plan) 
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Nov 2013
1:03pm, 19 Nov 2013
932 posts
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Revbarbarag
I certainly found last month that following my first ever 10 mile run on Monday with 5+ miles on both Wednesday and Thursday was too much. I've since done long runs of 10.6 and 11.2 miles, but reduced the length of the others in the few days afterwards. It's feeling better.
I think 14 would be the max I will do this side of Christmas, and I may not even do that - I'm doing my long runs to time, rather than distance. I'm slow - at 13:30 pace, which is what I did for my last long run (having deliberately slowed down a bit from the previous ones), 3 hours will give me 13.3 miles. I don't think it's sensible to be running longer than 3 hours... what do you think?
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Nov 2013
1:06pm, 19 Nov 2013
4,067 posts
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HermanBloom
I'm always learning rosehip Just trying not to confuse my tiny little mind!
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Nov 2013
1:21pm, 19 Nov 2013
10,570 posts
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Ultracat
Rev. Years ago I was told long runs should be no longer than 3.30 hours as it took too much out of you, I figured if you are going to take 5+ hours to run the marathon then this recommendation wouldn't work for me.
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Nov 2013
1:29pm, 19 Nov 2013
15,009 posts
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DeeGee
Long runs should be no longer than the time you'll be on your feet on race day. And that's only during the main training phase.
That's why they should be capperd at 20-22 miles.
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Nov 2013
1:30pm, 19 Nov 2013
15,010 posts
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DeeGee
They should not affect your ability to do your next scheduled session.
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Nov 2013
11:40pm, 19 Nov 2013
933 posts
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Revbarbarag
I sort of understand that, UC.
DG - if a long run is going to be no longer (in time) than you expect to spend on your feet in the marathon, and no longer (in distance) than 20-22 miles, there is an assumption there that you will run significantly faster in the race than you do in training. Many training plans codify this, saying that LR pace should be 2 mins/mile, or 20% in some cases, slower than marathon pace.
I can see two problems with this.... one is, is it really realistic for a beginner, doing there first marathon, working hard to get up to the distance, to run that much faster on race day than they did in training? If the furthest they have run before is 20 miles (or less) - can they really keep up a faster pace for an extra 6 (or more) miles? I have my doubts... about myself.
Here's the second... how does a beginner know what their marathon pace is? You can do estimates from other races... but what if you haven't raced much? Or recently? My 10K best is 69 minutes... I was shooting for 65 and was on track for the first 2.5 miles, but then got a stitch and fell away. Whatever. The marathon prediction fetch gives from that is 6 hours.
6 hours!!!!
That corresponds to 13:45 per mile. And a long run pace of 15:45 or 16:30 (if you take the 20% option). I'll die of old age before I get my long runs in!!
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Nov 2013
8:10am, 20 Nov 2013
10,571 posts
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Ultracat
Rev. I would just do your long runs at a pace that is comfortable for you and then you will hopefully feel like you could run another a couple of miles at the end of the planned mileage, if you finish your long runs feeling as though you couldn't run another step then pace was too fast. This is assuming you have build up long runs slowly and have fuelled properly.
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Nov 2013
8:49am, 20 Nov 2013
4,021 posts
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icemaiden
UC speaks truth. It is you that is doing the running on the day, not some plan. For your first mara don't worry about the pace, just focus on getting round, if it is slow, that's what it is. Many people also end up slower than the predictor predicts, me included, especially over longer distances predicted from shorter ones. You need to find that comfortable pace that you can keep slogging o with for 20+ miles and then on the day keep it going for another six. But, having done the training and tapering, on the day don't find you've got nice springy legs and run off like a whippet, you won't keep it up, you have to make the first half pass easily at a relaxed pace, and focus on keeping it going.
Next time you can play with paces!
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Nov 2013
9:12am, 20 Nov 2013
7,365 posts
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Mrs Winkle
I generally run my long runs at 1 - 1.15 minutes per mile slower than my proposed marathon pace - but for my first marathon, I just ran them at a comfortable pace, and then I just ran the marathon as best I could.
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