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Aug 2010
3:45pm, 17 Aug 2010
8,325 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I've used the First program - it works for me because 5 runs a week would probably lead to me being injured all the time, plus i don't actually WANT to run 5 times a week. First also seems to focus on "quality" runs rather than just churning out the miles and if you follow it to the letter it is not an easy option at all. I looked at hadd and thought the programs looked very hard even for beginners.
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Aug 2010
3:50pm, 17 Aug 2010
10,337 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Johnny - can you give any guidance on what the other, non-running could or should be for optimal running improvement?
What is your experience of progress in your times and performance using this Furman plan? Thanks Johnny. :-)G
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Aug 2010
3:55pm, 17 Aug 2010
95 posts
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Karen S
 G. On looking at the plan it doesn't specify what MP is although I assume it's the long run pace of 10k+60/75s per mile. My long runs up to last week have been around this pace but my recent long run on Sunday, I took the pace down considerably as I'd been feeling unwell at the start of the week. In other words I am making some adaptions when I feel it's needed.
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Aug 2010
4:05pm, 17 Aug 2010
10,338 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Of course, adaptations when needed, very sensible.
MP is usually your target marathon pace, which is usually quite a bit quicker than your LSR pace. Though actually, I see that Furman is on 60 - 75 seconds above 10K pace, which is v. quick for LSR pace. e.g. my 10K pace is 6:09. My marathon PB was 7:15 pace, so 66s slower than 10K pace! I can't imagine doing an 18 or 20 mile LSR at that pace. Hmmm!
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Aug 2010
4:15pm, 17 Aug 2010
8,332 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Bollo I just did a long post and lost the lot!
My shorter First runs were on the treadmill and the treddie gives a lot of precision over the shorter distances.
Cross training - mostly weights and some rowing/stationary bike.
I'm certain first made me fitter and faster - but over a marathon i'd say it helped me knock 5 minutes off ut most of all the discipline helped me become stronger and less prone to fatigued muscles - which i might get on 5 runs a week.
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Aug 2010
4:19pm, 17 Aug 2010
96 posts
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Karen S
I suppose I'm quite lucky that it's my first marathon so will be a PB whatever I run it in so am reasonably relaxed about the whole thing. And i know there's a great big hill at 20miles so will need to leave as much as possible in my legs to tackle that. Saying that the more training I do = less pain= enjoy the day more so am still keeping that in mind.
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Aug 2010
4:35pm, 17 Aug 2010
1,566 posts
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Jhuff
Who amongst you are using the book "run less, run faster" to accompany/guide your FIRST training?
IMO the FIRST program is quite sound. Especially as it talks highly about running mechanics being a priority
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Aug 2010
4:39pm, 17 Aug 2010
10,339 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Me. *waits with appropriate trepidation for Jeremy's input...*
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Aug 2010
4:41pm, 17 Aug 2010
10,340 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
By the way, this thread does *not* ask for input on running form. It is only interested in training plans. (Phew, did I get in, in time, there?!) :-)G
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Aug 2010
4:43pm, 17 Aug 2010
1,567 posts
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Jhuff
:)G,
There is no such thing as a running discussion without running form being discussed
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