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Feb 2013
12:17pm, 28 Feb 2013
50,490 posts
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Gobi
So HG i coach and spend time talking people into running faster over short distances first. People i coach do faster than 5km work while marathon training and collect shorter distance pbs as well as marathon pbs.
You can do it how you like though mate 
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Feb 2013
12:51pm, 28 Feb 2013
18,044 posts
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SPR
The challenge is pace since most that train well for a marathon can complete the distance if they run slow enough. The problems come when they try to run faster.
Or in other words, I agree with Gobi.
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Feb 2013
12:52pm, 28 Feb 2013
14,110 posts
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hellen
Last year I collected shorter distance PBs and marathon PBs from doing a lot of miles and not masses of speed stuff.
eg Nov 2011 my 10km PB which i ran hard was 44.xx by the summer of 2012 that was 41.xx
My half came down from 1.47 to 1.33 but that is not really a fair comparison because I hadnt done a half for quite a few years and lost weight from the 1.47 to the 1.33
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Feb 2013
1:09pm, 28 Feb 2013
15,383 posts
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FenlandFunRunner
I'm sure you're not forgetting that the things that can go wrong goes up exponentially with distance.
Say for a HM you are unlikely to run out of fuel or get significantly dehydrated, also due to the shorter time all sorts of environmental issues are not problems.
With a marathon, you've not only got to have trained sufficiently, but you need to be aware of hydration, nutrition, etc. Unless you are gifted and get it all done and dusted in less than 2:45.
For us slower runners, even a good marathon, means we're out there for around 4 hours!
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Feb 2013
3:40pm, 28 Feb 2013
3,330 posts
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paul the builder
DG - sorry to have missed the original discussion. But I'm not aware of any reason that your respected athlete friend might be wrong about what you are capable of. You're not too old (by a long shot), and I don't know of any fragility / health / proneness to injury reasons that stand in your way. I definitely have no special natural talent for this sport, believe me.
I wouldn't agree that the primary thing to change though is multi-marathoning, as such. On that - if you go about them sensibly, then they need not be a big issue, and can simply be a useful LSR when scheduled right. If you must.
The #1 thing to alter, I think, is that you have to get much more focused about it. Partly that means more training, and more consistency (your log shows 3 years of c.100 mile per month = 1200/yr, and then last year 1700 miles. Funnily enough, loads of PBs last year). Getting the best marathon you can from yourself isn't about putting in a perfect 12 weeks, or 18 weeks of training before the event. It's about the 12 months, or even 24 months before that. Building yourself in to a better athlete, little by little, over a long time. You might need to run 50mpw, week in week out, for 2 years to get there. I did. If you can see yourself doing that, then I can see you reaching sub-3.
And then - with all that focus - I would then wonder why you would want to multi-marathon? Maybe you still would, but maybe not. Because while you *could* do the occasional 'training marathon' in such a way so as to cause the minimum harm... if you *really* want to run your best marathon several months later, you'd be better getting your LSR done and over with, getting rested, refuelled etc. in your own home, no long drive, feet up, time with family (because if you train more now, you'll see them less), early night etc.. And basically getting the very best recovery so that you can do your easy run Monday, your steady run Tuesday, your hills Wednesday etc... all unaffected by the Sunday.
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Feb 2013
4:25pm, 28 Feb 2013
18,045 posts
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SPR
Furthermore, if you want to just run 26.2 miles, there's no reason to do it in a race other than someone else will log the fact you did it in the results.
I guess that's the true test of whether you think it is effective training.
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Feb 2013
4:35pm, 28 Feb 2013
47,306 posts
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plodding hippo
PTB
I dont ahve the discipline to do long runs on my own so for me doing a mara, with water lais on and toehr stuff and people to chat to-its a fab idea
Now, if someone can tell me how to do an *easy* marathon, Id love to hear it
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Feb 2013
4:49pm, 28 Feb 2013
3,332 posts
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paul the builder
Hipps - I think that reasoning is a bit chicken-and-egg though. You *think* you don't have the discipline, but if that's true then it's only because you don't have a big enough reason to go and do the long run by yourself. For me it's the central part of my training - and the training is all about running one target marathon, as fast as I can. I very much doubt that you have any less discipline than I do, it's just that we focus it in different directions. I don't think I could do all the travelling (and time), for example, to run all the non-target marathons like you multi-folk do.
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Feb 2013
4:49pm, 28 Feb 2013
3,333 posts
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paul the builder
That's time travelling, obviously. Not time running.
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Feb 2013
4:51pm, 28 Feb 2013
47,319 posts
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plodding hippo
ah ok, fair point paul
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