So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005
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Feb 2024
1:18pm, 2 Feb 2024
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Chrisull
You're slacking larks... that's what it says. Get to it ![]() |
Feb 2024
1:21pm, 2 Feb 2024
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Bazoaxe
I’ve gone under 1:23 but can’t quite match those 5 and 10k times
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Feb 2024
1:22pm, 2 Feb 2024
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paulcook
Oooh!! One for Ross Tucker et al to dig into then, Sean is a popular contributor to their podcast on all things fairness and sporting related Think he once wrote a piece, "why cheats, cheat". |
Feb 2024
2:22pm, 2 Feb 2024
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MsG
Imo the answer to that question is - because they can. Anything that makes it easier, enables it or gives a new way to cheat will be used by those that are willing (or persuaded) to do so. Determining the motivation is difficult for those coming from a mindset of honesty. |
Feb 2024
2:32pm, 2 Feb 2024
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larkim
Maybe my moral compass is all over the place, but I do think that people that genuinely believe they are honest can have lapses of that behaviour. So "cheating" doesn't mean that you as an individual are now in some binary category of "cheat" or "honest". Maybe that's just me justifying my aberrations from time to time (once we paid £16 for a pair of curtains that were marked as £60 because the till operator heard the wrong thing, for example, and I didn't correct them). I don't think I would cheat in a race ever, but on the wrong day with the wrong mindset and the perfect set of circumstances, I don't discount the possibility that I could get caught up in something. I think the potential is vanishingly unlikely, but it acknowledge the possibility. Perhaps that's why I'm not quite so harsh in judging others, and maybe I am admitting to something that most people would be able to utterly and completely discount for themselves. |
Feb 2024
2:32pm, 2 Feb 2024
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Derby Tup
Win at any cost. To me it’s not why cheaters cheat, but how they square it after winning. Lance Armstrong iirc was of the opinion pretty much everyone else was doing it so that made it okay
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Feb 2024
2:48pm, 2 Feb 2024
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Big_G
Is there a difference between cheating that appears to be planned in advance like this appears to be, vs a potentially one of ‘lapse of judgement’? Both are definitely cheating, but something that is planned in advance appears worse to me. In this journalist’s case, even though she presumably knew she had a lot to lose if caught, any ‘benefit’ from cheating appears to have outweighed the risk of being caught. Do cheaters think that clearly and do a cost/benefit analysis like this? I don’t know. In terms of London Marathon, it’s bizarre as according to that article, she wasn’t in the results anyway as she didn’t run with a chip. So it’s not even cheating, but more like pretending to have been at the race, when she may not have been there at all, if I’m reading that correctly. Bizarre. In terms of ‘benefit’, in this case she clearly is a reasonable runner anyway, so what did she have to prove to anyone? Was she in some way trying to cling on to past performances? Did she feel she needed to be at a certain level for her job? Who knows. |
Feb 2024
2:53pm, 2 Feb 2024
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paulcook
I agree with that Big_G. When I first read the piece (Wednesday I think) I didn't understand it, not because it didn't make sense, but because it made no logical sense. Both occasions, she's just trotting round middle of the pack. Nothing extraordinary. Nothing at all. |
Feb 2024
2:54pm, 2 Feb 2024
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SPR
Not getting that, the cheating happens many times before the winning as it did in Armstrong's case. The excuses come afterwards and we know Armstrong was an instigator not a follower. In regards to the split thing it's pretty implausible and is combined with a missing split, further indicating she cut the course somewhere. It's a 39:07 10k which is her 5th fastest ever and take out her best two from 2019, it's pretty much an all out 10k. |
Feb 2024
2:58pm, 2 Feb 2024
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Derby Tup
Maybe she was researching cheating in races?
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