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Jan 2010
5:38pm, 19 Jan 2010
90 posts
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jamieayres
First post in this monster thread and would like to ask a few questions. Firstly a brief history:
I went from running 40-50 miles a week last October, started running 4 months or so before, to not much after an obvious overuse injury knackered my right knee. Nothing medical wrong with it apparently, i guess i just did too much with bad form. Knee is still giving me a bit of stick after 3 months as i kept running bits here and there, but i can just about get away with 15-20 miles a week at the mo. This is not an ideal situation tho, so i have just started to read the Chi Running book, as well as implement simple things like the lean, midfoot strike etc which i have read about on this and the MER thread.
Anyways, onto the questions:
1) Is it ok to run with a injury while learning ChiRunning? I ask as i think it may be beneficial to actually be able to try the forms out while the injury is present so i can make subtle changes and see if it alleviates it.
2) What is the best way to be sure you are at least practising the correct form? I run by myself so its hard to get any feedback other than what i can look down and see and feel so any little tips or giveaways that i am doing something wrong will be appreciated.
3) Am i good just reading the book or is there anything else, other than this thread, that i should read/look up?
4) For races i have a pair of Fastwitch 3's but currently training/general running off/on road in a pair of Brooks ASR 6s, as they are the off road version of my previous Brooks GTS 7s. I would like to try the F-Lite 230s and wondering where the best place to buy from? Thinking i may need to get a 9 and a 9.5 as not sure how i size up in Innov-8s.
5) That is it for now...cheers!
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Jan 2010
6:50pm, 19 Jan 2010
972 posts
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chirunner
jamie I wish I was an expert who could help you. anyway back to my issues. when I ran 17.49 5k late last year and had a photo taken at the end I was interested (as I was hoping for some +ve feedback!) to get the feedback that my hip was collapsing on one side and then posted another photo at the stockport 10 miler when I got a similar response. in the HM about 1 mile before the cramps I noticed that my right foot was wierdly twisting over like i was suddenly pronating and my back felt weak.
so a pattern is emerging i believe that i need to address. i need to ensure that my abdominals are far stronger to support my back and maintain fluid hip rotation to ensure that I continue to strike efficiently without this collapse on my right hip leading to poor foot movement and twisting and the massive strain on the calf muscle to keep going. the fact that I had a problem over a 5k race means that i cannot just assume that this is an issue that emerges over very long distances.
there are loads of exercises on the chi web site for abdominal strength building and i have avoided these to date on the basis that my running would build the core strength for me. Plain wrong. Anyway doing abs work at home fills me with dread but this is where i now need to head on the chi journey. I feel that there is a lot more latent speed to come out and I think a stronger core is what is needed to get me there.
time will tell etc.
jamie, do read the blogs on the chi running website from the master danny d who invented this stuff. that is where i am heading back to.
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Jan 2010
6:52pm, 19 Jan 2010
8,926 posts
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SPR™
No point exploring if you have the perfect shoe for you really.
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Jan 2010
6:53pm, 19 Jan 2010
8,927 posts
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SPR™
if you *already* have
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Jan 2010
7:02pm, 19 Jan 2010
973 posts
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chirunner
i think i have 30-40 pairs of "perfect" shoes for me, or so I thought at the time i bought them, every brand and type under the sun......
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Jan 2010
7:03pm, 19 Jan 2010
2,475 posts
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ChrisHB
I've successfully used discomfort as a key to improving my form. As someone said a page or two back, it takes me too weeks to work out what I'm doing wrong and then days to put it right. Regarding every run as a learning opportunity is itself something to learn. To value a "bad" run for its wealth of learning opportunities is an interesting experience, and not one that comes easily to me.
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Jan 2010
7:04pm, 19 Jan 2010
974 posts
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chirunner
before i started with chi i used to think it was the equipment that was to blame for a lack of improvement and not the runner etc...so a high shoe turnover resulted....
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Jan 2010
7:06pm, 19 Jan 2010
975 posts
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chirunner
chrisHB, 100% agreed but we all do what we prefer to do and sometimes look at the evidence to suit our own preferences eg me not wanting to do core work, we may not be that neutral in assessing the feedback our bodies are telling us?
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Jan 2010
7:23pm, 19 Jan 2010
16,983 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I take it the 280s you sold me Elbee you like 
I notice flites 220/230s are supported racing shoes so I take it that means you should't wear orthotics with them anyway ?
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Jan 2010
7:29pm, 19 Jan 2010
2,476 posts
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ChrisHB
Who was it who said they didn't DO exercises - piano, running or any other? Could have been me, tbh. Even if I agree with myself to swap a run for an hour of practising my posture, I spend 55 minutes lying on my bed reading about posture, then cut the hour short.
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