Newbie training query – 5k / 10k improvement training

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Gobi Mar 2013 2:15pm, 14 Mar 2013 50,632 posts	0 Gobi HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dooogs Mar 2013 4:50pm, 14 Mar 2013 53 posts	0 Dooogs That big?! Okaay... I'll give it a try on Monday...
krautchen Mar 2013 6:58pm, 14 Mar 2013 76 posts	0 krautchen So until what kind of weekly mileage is an increase in miles better than introduction speed work for progression? And if one decides to slow one's running down, should that be accompanied by an immediate increase in mileage (due to drop in intensity)? If so, what kind of increase? Thanks!
sLickster Mar 2013 7:23pm, 14 Mar 2013 1,350 posts	0 sLickster Everyone is different...but my experience was doing only 10-12 miles a week for 6 months when I started, in which time I got better times, then I did 20 miles a week for a good while, again improving my times, then I introduced speed work and improved my times, then, well, then I got other priorities and just ran for pure enjoyment and didn't worry about times
Gobi Mar 2013 10:07pm, 14 Mar 2013 50,634 posts	0 Gobi A bit like base you could keep adding miles until you plateau Comes down to the time you have in life. If you have 5hrs to train do base for 5hrs until you plateau then add 1 speed session etc ......
Lee Wren Jun 2013 9:06pm, 10 Jun 2013 235 posts	0 Lee Wren hi all, i once remember looking at a graph that showed you how much you could reasonably expect to improve on your first 5k times, it was on this site i just can't remember where, it may even have come from Fetch, anyone have any idea where i can find it?
Ceratonia Jun 2013 10:00am, 12 Jun 2013 117 posts	0 Ceratonia I remember seeing that, too. An analysis of parkrun results showing how much the average runner improved over their first 2,5, 10, 50 etc. outings. Not sure whether it was here or elsewhere. "Crispy" posted this sort of thing on the parkrun website in the past, but it all seems to have been removed. Believe parkrun discourage people from scraping data from their website for this kind of thing; presumably to minimize the stress on their servers. This website has some analysis of average times for various parkruns at different times of the year and average times comparing some parkruns. roadracestatistics.org.uk
Dooogs Jun 2013 10:18am, 12 Jun 2013 1,426 posts	0 Dooogs Thanks for the link, Cera – I’ve not seen that before. Some interesting parkrun stats there – either Huddersfield has some statistical anomalies or the increase in participation has rendered those stats a bit out of date. My parkrun PB is 23.38 with all my times so far being between that and just under 25m. According to that site, I should be about a minute behind the middle of the pack for men but I’m usually between the 30th and 40th percentiles. I wonder if those stats were run when there was a higher proportion of “serious runners” in parkrun than now? Anyway, I’d be interested in seeing graphs of typical improvements from early times soon, having hit a bit of a barrier in the high 23s…
DeeGee Jun 2013 10:59am, 12 Jun 2013 14,445 posts	0 DeeGee No graph. Data sample of 1. Not statistically significant. 2007: 5k: 26.23 2008: 5k: 23:00 2012: 5k: 18:46 Fundamental difference being mileage.
Dooogs Jun 2013 11:03am, 12 Jun 2013 1,440 posts	0 Dooogs Oooh - that's not a bad improvement, DG. How did your weekly mileage change during that timeframe?