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May 2014
10:42pm, 19 May 2014
2,343 posts
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RevBarbaraG
You'll get used to it, Granny!
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May 2014
9:23pm, 22 May 2014
5,461 posts
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Pestomum
http://www.fetcheveryone.com/training-plan-view.php?id=308 I've put in JG's marathon training schedule for run/ walk. It's a 30 week beginners plan. I'm not sure if I'll use it or if I'll go with the 35 week Hal Higdon beginners one, but I thought it'd be useful for people 
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May 2014
8:12am, 23 May 2014
171 posts
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♪♫ ♪♫ Synge ♪♫ ♪♫
Interesting to see it. I have followed (reasonably closely, at least) beginner and intermediate plans before but haven't previously seen this. Two things stand out, both relating to the Sunday schedule. The long runs build 17m - 20m - 23m - 26m at three-weekly intervals and I would not have expected to see the 26m, or even the 23m, in this schedule. On many running schedules, the advice seems to be that 20-22 miles is the furthest you need to go in training. I have never read JG, so may be missing something here. Secondly, there is no mention of RW on these longer runs - is that just because you haven't transcribed it fully or is that faithful to the original? Again, quite surprising if the intention is that this is run only. I would have expected the weekday (30 minute runs) to be all run and the longer ones to be RW, not the other way round. |
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May 2014
8:40am, 23 May 2014
5,462 posts
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Pestomum
It's *all* run/ walk - but I'll change it to specify. On the website he suggest this is for beginners which I SUPPOSE (don't hold me to it) is why it's light mid week but makes sure you can do the distance? There's a bit where he says if you're out of breath at the end of a long run, you were going too fast which implies that it's very slow and steady! |
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May 2014
8:47am, 23 May 2014
172 posts
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♪♫ ♪♫ Synge ♪♫ ♪♫
On running schedules, the received wisdom seems to be roughly that you don't get any real benefit from running for over approx. 20-22 miles or longer than approx. 3 hours, and that you will just wear yourself out for no real training gain. I suppose the point of RWR (not RW, as I have realised that the fetch website thinks that means something else entirely!) is that you don't wear yourself out in the same way and so 23 or 26 miles is beneficial rather than potentially damaging ... |
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May 2014
8:50am, 23 May 2014
5,463 posts
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Pestomum
if i did only 3 hours i'd get no further than 12 or 13 miles...
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May 2014
9:06am, 23 May 2014
173 posts
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♪♫ ♪♫ Synge ♪♫ ♪♫
Lol - sorry, I should have qualified that by saying "on the running schedules I have tried to follow". But I would imagine it's similar across the range of speeds and experience (except for elites and sub-3 hour marathoners and the like).
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May 2014
9:07am, 23 May 2014
5,464 posts
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Pestomum
There are a few others that take you to nearer race length, but I've never done more than 20 (only ever followed Hal Higdon ones)
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May 2014
9:18am, 23 May 2014
174 posts
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♪♫ ♪♫ Synge ♪♫ ♪♫
I have just glanced briefly at the various RW (this time I do mean Runner's World!) schedules published on their UK and US sites and there seems to be a majority that goes to 20 or 22 miles. I must admit that it was when I found through March this year that I was only getting to 16 or 17 miles on my planned 20-mile training runs that I realised I was in trouble and it was then that RWR came to my rescue. But even if on top form, I don't think I would look to go beyond 20 miles in training. YMMV, as they say! |
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May 2014
2:59pm, 23 May 2014
2,367 posts
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RevBarbaraG
Synge, I have also queried (in my head) the 26 mile RWR on JG's schedule. I can see the benefit of it..... and because it is RWR, it is tabout the same level of stress on the body as a continuour run of about 2/3 the distance. I'm sort of getting into the habit now that I start my runs with short run segments (30s or so) with quite a bit of walking in between, and then as I warm up my runs get longer and my walks shorter. No timings, I just do it by feel, but I'm pretty sure most of my runs are less than 2 minutes. I do plan on using a structured RWR schedule on longer runs, though - 10 miles and up. And will do when I do my half marathon next month. |
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