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Elite Athletics Thread

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SPR
SPR
Oct 2023
10:16am, 9 Oct 2023
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The interesting thing to me (and has seemed the case since London) is that Kipchoge is no longer the favourite for Paris on this evidence. Kiptum has shown with the way he finishes that he'll be hard to beat.

For me, the shoes have done a lot of distorting potentially. From an elite point of view, it seems only Kipchoge and Kiptum get on really well with the AFs, so it seems the fastest (Nike) shoe is less accessible than the VFs hence them being more common. On the women's side Hassan seems to be getting the AFs to work.

Men's second and third were 2:04.x yesterday and fourth was 2:05.xx. Those are winning times 5-7 years ago. Chepngetich ran 2:15:37, just 13 seconds outside Radcliffe's old record and lost by almost 2 mins!!!
larkim
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Oct 2023
10:20am, 9 Oct 2023
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Yes, reassuring (to a degree) that both EK and KK were in the same shoes.

2nd place is always a difficult one to look at because you'd imagine that racing for "time" has gone out of the window by that point, and they are racing for the place instead. (Happy to be challenged on that - obviously at the lower end of the performance spectrum we are mostly racing for a time and will fixate on that, not sure how much that is important to a 2nd place elite marathoner).
SPR
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Oct 2023
11:30am, 9 Oct 2023
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Not sure it's reassuring that they are in the same shoe based on what I said.

If you're trying to say those place times weren't all out times (I don't subscribe to that) then that makes them more, not less extraordinary.
larkim
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Oct 2023
11:43am, 9 Oct 2023
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Agreed about the extraordinariness in mins:secs - but given the shoes etc? 5-7 years ago those times were non-shoe aided, so perhaps those 2:04-2:06 times are more like 2:06-2:08 times; fast, but not extraordinary.

My point was really that whilst the second place in 2:04 is 3 minutes down on KK, I'd argue the second placer could have found 30-40s more if they'd needed to for competitive purposes.

That said, Kipruto did run a PB yesterday, so maybe I'm talking tripe as usual ;-)
SPR
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Oct 2023
12:22pm, 9 Oct 2023
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I think placers will be hoping that the leader fails, also they might be having a great race for themselves so keep on pushing as evidenced by that PB. Can be different for individual runners though.

Agree about the times, it's just extraordinary that we can have a discussion about whether 2:04 for men and 2:15 for women was an all out effort
larkim
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Oct 2023
12:36pm, 9 Oct 2023
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Yes, maybe I'm projecting my attitude onto the elites! If I was in a solid 2nd and I couldn't catch the 1st I'd find some way of easing off a little. Probably one (of many!) reasons why I'm not an elite ;-)

Kipruto might have gone into that race expecting to run a 2:02:xx, and settled for a PB and 2nd place. Or he might have gone in hoping to beat KK, despite most third party observers feeling that was unlikely. I suppose whatever was in his head on the start line may have influenced how he raced the final 10 miles.
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Plus, on reviewing things - there was only 30s at the finish between 2nd and 3rd (and similar for 3rd vs 4th) so in hindsight I'd guess they were all racing as hard as they could.

Mateiko dropped out between 35-40k too, don't think he was a pacer was he?
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12:49pm, 9 Oct 2023
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Very impressive closing splits from Rose Harvey. More to come from her, it seems.

SPR
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Mateiko was making his debut and paced Kiptum at London according to the London review. Just went over the edge I presume.
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*Letsrun review.

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