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The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread

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12:20pm, 3 Nov 2023
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Windsor Wool
ah, I bloody hate the forum post 'buttons' on FE, they are CRAP!!
Nov 2023
12:26pm, 3 Nov 2023
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Windsor Wool
btw, the fizz and I think I have a stress fracture in my heel. I'm not going for any further expert intervention as the only treatment is to rest & reduce loading. Given that I've spent weeks of stretching, wobble boarding, eccentric achilles dropping, golf balling, icing, calf rolling etc, etc all to no effect, I am convinced enough to go down the complete rest route even though that really messes with my head from a weight gain concerns perspective.
Nov 2023
12:32pm, 3 Nov 2023
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Bazoaxe
Thats good and bad WW. At least you know whats going on, but time out I can empathise with.

I am over a stone up with limited running since mid July and my HR is through the roof when I do run. It also seems I need to ramp up the miles before I start to see progress (or stop eating I guess!)
Nov 2023
12:35pm, 3 Nov 2023
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larkim
Good to hear you've got a pathway to potential recovery WW.

And thanks for the quotes, there were definitely suspicions in my mind that your blogs might have had something in there.

Baz - that's my experience too these days - even in a marathon plan, it takes 5 or 6 weeks at least of the plan to start to see any hint of aerobic progress, and from that point onwards I start to see incremental consistent gains. But waiting for that point to hit is frustrating!
Nov 2023
12:44pm, 3 Nov 2023
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riggys99
Short video from a triathlon Chanel on you tube about carbs and how to train your gut to handle more

https://youtu.be/zM_RYmpjYU4?si=6hDCY--Bj6ToAQkH
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Velociraptor
Bad news, WW. Having a decision and a plan of action (or inaction) is positive, though. And it's something you can be confident that you'll recover from.
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tipsku
I'm also in the camp of 'start taking gels early'. I usually have my first gel around 5 miles and then every 4-5 miles. I'm with larkim, I don't really feel the kick from the gels, I just run on a nicely filled tank all the time while having a debate with my legs who argue for slowing down but I'm having none of it.

Take care, WW, I hope rest will sort it out soon. Maybe you can do some non-weight-bearing cross training while you let your heel heal.
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I assume that starting early will help to keep my energy (and fluid) levels topped up closer to optimal levels but wouldn’t claim to have any clear experimental evidence in support of this belief.

I don’t intent to run a marathon without to test my belief.
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I’m also not going to jump out of a third floor window to test my belief that the landing would hurt.
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tipsku
Once, I had to finish a marathon just with water because a caffeinated gel made me nauseous at mile 17. So I ran the remaining 9.2 on nothing but water. As a result, I had to slow down from about 8:30 pace to 9:00 pace. I did that before I felt like running on empty. My HR dropped by 10 bpm and I finished the marathon about 5 minutes slower than what would have been possible if I hadn't stopped taking gels. I didn't feel very bad after 1-2 miles of running slower (my stomach needed the time to settle), it just felt more like a training run than a race. I should have tried the caffeinated gel during a MP run to see if my stomach was able to handle it under stress.

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For those who want to go sub 3.15 in a marathon and/or those that have already done it and want to give advice. Share your journey or help someone else's here.

2025 targets:

Chicago 12 Oct: Mark
Abingdon 19 Oct: Clare
York 19 Oct: PJH

2025 achievers:
Charles 3:07 @ Ghent
Mark 3:07 @ Christchurch
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