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Nov 2019
1:31pm, 25 Nov 2019
9,560 posts
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larkim
Yep, I agree JDA. I think I suckered myself into running at an easy pace downhill, and then just metronomically locked into that stride length and cadence - my own fault. But useful nonetheless to get a feel for how much improvement is needed.
I did more or less the same run as a recovery run 19th Sept averaging 8:26 pace for an average bpm of 124. Sunday was 8:34 pace for 143bpm. Frustrating, but it is what it is.
I need to use that HR data properly, and run only in the low 130s for easy runs, no matter what the pace actually is. Or just ditch all the science completely and just run easy.
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Nov 2019
1:38pm, 25 Nov 2019
5,842 posts
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jda
I look at the HR but to be honest during the easy runs it has rarely told me anything I didn't know and usually when it surprises me, it's because it is misreading  I don't think you can ever run too slow really, as long as you don't get cold or stop running properly (I do think it's important to maintain a proper stride and cadence, part of the point is to develop running efficiency).
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Nov 2019
1:38pm, 25 Nov 2019
17,744 posts
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KinkyS
You think 8 weeks is frustrating larks, try 2 bloomin' years of it
I honestly think right now that I will never get back to full fitness, or what used to be fitness. I'm doing everything right, and I *am* getting fitter again, but I just don't see how I will ever get back to sub 3:15 pace again. I do wonder if I'm kidding myself to even wonder if it might be possible again one day, or if I should give up trying and just be a slow, runs for fun sort of person with no competitive/time goals at all. At least that way I won't be disappointed every time I step out of the door.
*sigh*
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Nov 2019
1:42pm, 25 Nov 2019
9,561 posts
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larkim
LOL, KS - my wife is in that boat. Skiing injury 3 years ago nearly, and she's still a way off the pace that she was at, despite running more these days.
I'm clearly impatient (probably less so in person than I might give the impression of on here), and I know I need to be patient and it will come. I've been through this cycle before, at the end of the summer of 2018 I felt this sort of frustration, so it's nothing new. But I do like to share
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Nov 2019
1:48pm, 25 Nov 2019
33,359 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Kinky, are you looking to get back to GB endurance standard? Or just enjoying your running and performing to best of ability? If the latter, then I'd say just enjoy the distance and volume growing and becoming consistent and performance will improve naturally. If the former, then I have zilcho experience of coaching international standard athletes, so you'll need to speak to a proper coaching staff, probably. Very best of luck with your return. Never say never? G
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Nov 2019
2:08pm, 25 Nov 2019
3,174 posts
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STOOSH
I feel your pain KS - i've had 2years of the same injury flaring up. I know i need to start doing some core and strength work as i've never done any since i started running, i just find it incredibly boring!
Cheers for the chat on over the first half mile or so G - i had a reasonable run although much further down the field than previous years. Did however enjoy working my way through and could have done with another lap or 2 given how quickly the eager first lap sprinters were coming back!
Enjoyed a nice 14m in the rain this morning after opting to buggy run yesterday with Lou. I get the impression it's frowned upon to run quicker than the wife pushing a buggy up a hill
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Nov 2019
2:16pm, 25 Nov 2019
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Oscar the grouch
Larks, just a thought but on your 7 mile run, had you run at 9.30 instead of 8.30, the time cost would have been 3 and a half minutes or the equivalent of a bit of faffing. Stop worrying about pace! I suspect there are reasons that you and Gobi appeared to be disagreeing but his pinned advice over there is very sound>>
My 9.45 paced 20 milers do cost me about 12 and a half minutes compared to what I'd probably naturally run but they mean I can continue to train straight away.
Have you learned nothing from your injury!?!? (You need to be able to see that I am smiling as I write this, intentionally provoking a response )
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Nov 2019
2:23pm, 25 Nov 2019
9,563 posts
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larkim
I agree OTG, as I said to JDA above it was my own fault for insufficient discipline. There's no issue with being out running for 3.5 minutes more!!
I know what easy feels like, and I know how to do it. And I know I will always naturally tend towards the faster end of easy pace, just because that's what I've always done - I could try to argue that it's a function of my cadence, stride length and biomechanics, but if I'm honest it's just down to me being stubborn. I've got much, much better at low hr / easy running over the last 2.5 years though compared to my previous attitudes.
With that 20:52 run on Saturday, JD's VDOT tables would have me easy running 8:36-9:28 pace. If that's where I should be, that's where I should be. And then in a few weeks time see if the numbers have moved much.
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Nov 2019
2:29pm, 25 Nov 2019
1,259 posts
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Oscar the grouch
Will you take the advice of your own research though??
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Nov 2019
2:34pm, 25 Nov 2019
9,564 posts
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larkim
We'll have to see, won't we
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