21 May
10:37am, 21 May 2025
6,088 posts
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J2R
TROSaracen wrote: 2029 will be anyone but Labour or Conservative. I think it's too early to say that. Labour could still turn things around if they stopped trying to be Reform-lite and governed, confidently, on their own agenda, not Farage's. Four years of reasonable, competent government would put Labour in a very different position from where the Tories were before the last election. But they have to change tack pretty sharpish, give McSweeney his P45. And as I've suggested here before, I think the chances of Reform making it all the way to 2029 without soiling themselves badly in public are pretty slim. But then again, America did re-elect Trump, so what do I know? |
21 May
10:38am, 21 May 2025
8,069 posts
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paulcook
TROSaracen wrote: The outcome to fear is a divided left whilst the Tories continue to tank so badly that effectively the right unites around Reform. There is a way to unite even a divided left, but ... |
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21 May
10:40am, 21 May 2025
8,070 posts
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paulcook
J2R wrote: TROSaracen wrote:2029 will be anyone but Labour or Conservative. I think it's too early to say that. Labour could still turn things around if they stopped trying to be Reform-lite and governed, confidently, on their own agenda, not Farage's. Four years of reasonable, competent government would put Labour in a very different position from where the Tories were before the last election. But they have to change tack pretty sharpish, give McSweeney his P45. And as I've suggested here before, I think the chances of Reform making it all the way to 2029 without soiling themselves badly in public are pretty slim. But then again, America did re-elect Trump, so what do I know? Agree and disagree. I think (unless Farage does something rogue like resign again) it's Reform vs Labour. If the economy is back on track and people feel better off, Labour have a good chance of a win. Anything else, Reform wins. |
21 May
11:42am, 21 May 2025
23,771 posts
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rf_fozzy
People's memories are incredibly short. It must have been all of two weeks since unpopular incumbent left of centre governments in Canada and Australia were reelected. With bigger majorities. Having trailed in the polls for well over 6months+ It's 4 years to the next GE, trying to predict what will happen in that election is akin to reading tea leaves |
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21 May
11:49am, 21 May 2025
23,772 posts
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rf_fozzy
paulcook wrote: Reminder, perfect is the enemy of good. Depends what of that and other foibles you're willing to accept. Though he hasn't won yet and leader only holds the post for 2 years before another election so even if he wins he might not get to a GE - for that latter reason I suspect any skeletons might not appear in the press for a while. Mind, half of the country are putting their faith in the ex commodities trader, off shore bank holder, four homes, land and gentry, Thatcher worshipping, working class hero. So 🤷♂️ The press has already been reporting it. You can bet if he was elected leader, it would be the first question he's asked on every appearance on TV for a while... I mean it's not just a skeleton, it's weird. And shows a certain view of women that personally I find a bit off |
21 May
12:10pm, 21 May 2025
22,922 posts
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Chrisull
Yeah you could be right, it could be like the Layla Moran slapping her boyfriend with a computer lead one... and being arrested for it... that pretty much killed her off being leader. And in hindsight was and still is repugnant. I must admit the whole NATO thing I found worse, because it showed a blinkered view of geo-politics and the kind of view Corbyn espoused that he was eventually hammered for (I think his response to Salisbury is what killed his opinion poll ratings, he was flying high after 2017, and I know anti-semitism came to define/bury him, but it was the "let's not condemn Russia, we don't know it is them" line that his credibility first took a massive whack. |
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21 May
4:59pm, 21 May 2025
8,073 posts
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paulcook
More Mark Collett-Reform news on the back of the post earlier this week thenational.scot |
21 May
5:18pm, 21 May 2025
33,995 posts
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richmac
Farages Brown shirts right there
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21 May
6:08pm, 21 May 2025
27,374 posts
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larkim
Trump being Trump in South Africa - such a good look, arguing that white people are being discriminated against and murdered.
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21 May
6:11pm, 21 May 2025
33,999 posts
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richmac
Yes it has happened - the murders - in a country with a ridiculous murder rate- discriminated against ? what those wealthy land owners ? of course
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