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Raetomic Kitten
It is, CK, I think Jamie may have been concerned about about potentially divisive rhetoric?

Unless the local TERF crew pop in top complain about how badly they're being persecuted because one man told someone online to F off and it's totally the same as actually being murdered, I think we're probably good 😊
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Thanks Rae. I want to be an ally not a complainer.
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JamieKai *chameleon*
Raetomic Kitten wrote:It is, CK, I think Jamie may have been concerned about about potentially divisive rhetoric?


Yup, you got me spot on there, especially with the tone of that Mail report - it's definitely reported with a certain spin that's definitely not kind towards the LGBTQ+ community (surprisingly, huh?) I think I'm tending towards the defensive atm, I see so much dreadful content on Facebook these days.
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I totally get that Jamie 😢
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Vixx
I love all allies equally :)
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6:25am, 20 Apr 2025
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Raetomic Kitten
I know we cheated our algorithms on social media by what we pay and interact with so it's not an unbiased picture, but my feeds are absolutely full of people attending priest marches yesterday across the UK.

I'm also looking for a good break down of what this judgement actually says and analysis of what it might mean in practice.

The initial thoughts seem to be that it doesn't actually require anyone to change anything they're doing, but attempts to link legal protection from discrimination on the ground of gender to people's gender assigned at birth, although another section of the equality act gives explicit protection against discrimination on the grounds of being trans.

Although it's very disturbing that people like the British Transport Police were so quick to release statements saying that trans women (which in reality will mean any woman they don't think it's femme enough) will no longer have the right to be searched by female officers.

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20 Apr
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LindsD
Yeah The Guardian was saying similar. I guess the scary thing is what people *think* it means.
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StuH
Yes, lots of people with an anti-trans agenda were very quick to come out and say what they think it means and what needs to happen. Unfortunately the media seem to be parroting this narrative and what worries me is that the government might issue guidance based on this rather than the narrow scope of the judgment.
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Joopsy
I have a slightly different take @Raetomic Kitten My pro trans posts on social media have had no opposition, but also very few people commenting or liking them. My belief is the silent majority are very happy with the ruling, and that I appear to have a lot of the silent majority on my friends list.
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Raetomic Kitten
This is a sadness, Joopsy.

I think a lot of cisgender women don't yet realise how dangerous the 'we can always tell' mindset actually is (which is obviously not the main reason to oppose transphobia, but it may be what's most likely to convince a lot of people) to them, and cisgender men at large certainly don't have a great record of caring about anything that doesn't directly impact them as a demographic anyway.

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
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