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Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
Even a Japanese meat consumption diet would require nearly 60% of habitable land.

Not sustainable.
Jul 2022
7:23pm, 4 Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
And the data source on the Wikipedia page is from the UN FAO.

Which is a reputable source.

I checked.
jda
Jul 2022
7:33pm, 4 Jul 2022
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jda
Japan hoovers up a lot of fish. Ok it's still better than western, but not sustainable as fozzy says.

There are better and worse ways of farming meat also. But the general point certainly stands. We simply can't all eat a lot of meat, there isn't enough to go round (and no space and resources to farm much more of it).
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rf_fozzy
Yes, we have to eat less fish too....

I would estimate we'd need (in the UK) to go to a diet consisting of **at most** 1/4 of our current average meat consumption.

So, 1-2 days per week max.
Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
And that's probably still not enough...
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7:40pm, 4 Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
Or if you want to put it another way.

You can have meat 1-2 meals per week.
You can have fish 1 meal per week.

All the rest have to be vegetarian.
jda
Jul 2022
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jda
I can farm woodlice in my house.
Jul 2022
8:51pm, 4 Jul 2022
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Fields
I’m glad these brave people are willing to risk their lives for our future, I salute the anti oil campaigners :-)

https://youtu.be/6jJ9Ur8WNPE
Jul 2022
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Hanneke
Lol! I could dine on slugs and snails forever!

I initially went to meat once a week and fish once a week when I left home. I only bought wild fish and game birds etc from a specialist butcher. I then turned vegetarian but didn't like the way milk and eggs were produced so stopped eating that too...
Now I have my own chickens and sometimes have local kefir and butter and "unadulterated" milk.
I now have a farm nearby that produces ethical meat so I occasionally have some and I sometimes have fish. About once a month I'd say, maybe twice...

I am happy on a vegetarian diet from my garden with my own chooks producing nutritious eggs. I grow a lot of protein too but still rely on buying seeds and nuts...
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cackleberry
The rabbits in my garden have eaten all our lovingly tended veg.
I am going to eat those instead.

About This Thread

Maintained by HappyG(rrr)
Hi
I've seen environment (whether emissions, power, climate change, access to countryside, whatever you think of as "environment") discussed in various threads: Politics (obviously), the Electric Car thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/electric-car-anyone-61481/ , run free's excellent "Competitive Running and Keeping The Environment Clean" fetcheveryone.com/forum/running-competitively-keeping-our-environment-clean-60907/ my own Greta Thunberg thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/greta-thunberg---jfk-for-the-climate-generation-61044/ etc. but I haven't seen a general one.

So here it is. For those interested in the science, the politics, the action for (and I'll state that for me, this is mostly pro-environment, anti-emissions, anti-pollution etc.) and the hope for the future of our planet.

Useful links posted by contributors:
rf_fozzy: This is quite a good article about how disruptive technology works too: lesswrong.com
Basically about why Kodak completely missed the boat when it came to digital cameras timkastelle.org
run free's Grand Designs example Ben Laws is a man who built his dream: granddesignsmagazine.com granddesignsmagazine.com
Carbon Commentary carboncommentary.com
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