F'Laps - Saturday 5th July
Join in with our challenge this Saturday. Run a set distance every hour until you can't run any more!Garmin Status - what does Garmin say about you today?!
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Feb 2023
11:40am, 13 Feb 2023
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SPR
Garmin Pay EvilPixie? It definitely doesn't need a phone. It wouldn't make sense for it to need one.
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Feb 2023
11:41am, 13 Feb 2023
39,550 posts
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SPR
Phone to use that is. You set it up via the phone.
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Feb 2023
11:42am, 13 Feb 2023
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Gobi
Never set Garmin Pay up
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Feb 2023
11:43am, 13 Feb 2023
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EvilPixie
I did set up something on my old Fenix 5 wonder what that was? |
Feb 2023
12:06pm, 13 Feb 2023
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tipsku
Velociraptor, Garmin training plans are not keen on long runs. When I did the advanced plan for the marathon last year, the longest runs were 2:30 hours, I think I had three of them, all the others were 2:00 or 2:15. My longest runs were around 15-16 miles. I extended one of them to 3:00 hours and 30k (18.6 miles) 2:30 may be enough if your easy pace is 8 m/m or faster, then 2:30 will get you close to 20. (19.75 if you run it at 8 m/m). So I guess that the suggestions are based on the same principles. |
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Feb 2023
12:11pm, 13 Feb 2023
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EvilPixie
I remember doing a running camp with RW and the guy who ran it (can't remember his name but Anderson seems right?) said that you shouldn't do a long run over 3hrs regardless of your pace. If you are slow slow then maybe add 30mins walking warm up and cool down so 4 hrs total but the impact/stress of doing runs that are 3+hrs is counterproductive so maybe that's where Garmin are coming from |
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Feb 2023
12:14pm, 13 Feb 2023
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tipsku
Sleep after the Superbowl: 6 hours Score: 77, short but good REM Body battery was down to 12, now up to 73 Recovery time 54 hours after yesterday's long run that gave me another 5.0 rating Garmin suggests active recovery, 32 minutes at 10:50 or 130 BPM. Sounds great, I'll do a 5k with the beginners, will be even slower and HR lower, too. Last week, I discovered that I could run at 13:40 with a new runner and not lose form. RHR also affected by the long run, up to 48. I'll take it easy for two days. Training status: productive again! So Garmin is secretly happy that I did a long high aerobic session again even though it wasn't the tempo run it suggested. |
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Feb 2023
12:26pm, 13 Feb 2023
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tipsku
EvilPixie I agree with the 3 hour limit as you don't get more aerobic training effect whether you run 3 or 4 hours but the latter is breaking you down a lot more because of the mechanical stress and fatigue. So you need a longer recovery and most likely, you will miss a few sessions in your plan. The breakdown of form also increases the risk of injury. So I don't run over 3 hours but I found that I probably need the extra 30 minutes. When I did the Garmin programme last spring, I had the cardiovascular fitness but not muscular endurance to run a certain pace for 26.2. So my critique of the Garmin plan is that 2:30 isn't enough, especially when the plan doesn't have a proper midweek MLR. I don't think I ever ran over 75 minutes in the middle of the week. So I went with the P&D that has both MLR and 3 hour runs. I'll see how it'll turn out. I could do the experiment next year with capping the LR of the P&D at 2:30 hours but keep the midweek MLR (up to 14 miles!) and see if that works, too. |
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Feb 2023
12:32pm, 13 Feb 2023
40,381 posts
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EvilPixie
OIC that makes sense My last marathon that I actually trained for was 2010! My last marathon was the virtual LM in 2020 and I err forgot to train haha my other marathon since 2010 was also a last night thing so I can't really comment! |
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Feb 2023
12:32pm, 13 Feb 2023
2,402 posts
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tipsku
This said, when I trained a run/walker to run her first marathon, we went up to 4 hours but she didn't run more than 2:40 hours out of the 4 hours because she used a 2/1 split. Her goal time was 6 hours which she missed because she went the wrong way and ran almost 27 miles. When I'm training for ultras, I also do longer runs but they will be run/walk so that the total amount of running doesn't exceed 3 hours. I basically treated her marathon like an ultra for me. Time on feet is similar. |
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