The New Normal - What do you see that is becoming the New Normal?
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Jun 2020
1:55pm, 12 Jun 2020
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larkim
I agree with JRs broad stance on not just accepting it because we're told to, but equally once you read the well written bits of guidance about face coverings (the scottish text on this was good) it's not hard to see that there is a tangible, if only moderate, effect of face covering. And it's *not* designed to protect you. It's designed to stop you spreading it. I don't see why complying by wearing a buff on a bus or a train temporarily excludes you from that provision unless you simply don't have a buff. It's such an easy thing to comply with and helps to play your small part in both a) normalising it so that other people *who are infected but don't care* are excluded from some spreading possibilities and b) not spreading itself if you are infected but don't realise it. The evidence is that cough and sneeze aerosol spread in confined places is a substantial mode of transport between strangers, so even if a buff only reduces how far your cough droplets reach by 50% you're doing something to reduce transmission. |
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Jun 2020
1:55pm, 12 Jun 2020
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larkim
(Solid point about the overweight and smokers JR - agree 100% there!)
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Jun 2020
1:57pm, 12 Jun 2020
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DocM
i have two hearing impaired sons. Im glad that the face wearing has not taken off around here as they would struggle to have any interaction with people without being able to lip read. I worry a lot about how they will cope with simple tasks like shopping with everyone wearing masks
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Jun 2020
2:03pm, 12 Jun 2020
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jda
"If it was so dangerous why only on the 15th - what is going to change in a few days." It's entirely normal to introduce new laws with a little bit of notice, to allow people time to adapt. Also: not liking some minor detail of legislation does not mean it's all a big conspiracy by the lizard overlords. Some people really could do with a sense of perspective. |
Jun 2020
2:04pm, 12 Jun 2020
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JR
DocM - no sign of people wearing h my asks where I live either. Saw one person yesterday while at supermarket in the morning. I was then out for about 4 hours in a combination of timing & walking in the afternoon & no mask wearers. Most of those I saw were in the 70+ bracket (going on just assuming of course). I have a couple friends who are partially deaf. One of them really struggles on our Zoom calls as sound not clear & hard to lip read. She’d never manage to interact if everyone was mask wearing. I live next door to a residential care home for young adults with severe autism type illnesses & other mental impairment disabilities. They have been going out walking with carers most of the lockdown time - neither carer or resident with masks & no cases at all of any CV19 & with them often walking arm in arm with carers. |
Jun 2020
2:09pm, 12 Jun 2020
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jennyh
Runfree, your optimism re people adopting a less selfish attitude is laudable...but I would suggest misguided based on the behaviour of people I've seen wearing masks around here. The vast majority I have seen wearing masks totally ignore any social distancing protocols - so, I've been walking towards people walking in pairs wearing masks who, even if I step out into the road, refuse to walk in single file. They've pushed past me in the supermarket in narrow aisles, ignored the wrong way systems. I accept I may be unlucky and what I'm witnessing may not be representative of everyone who's wearing a face covering in public, but I do worry that most people do still think it's to protect them, and therefore they don't have to take any other precautionary measures. |
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Jun 2020
2:18pm, 12 Jun 2020
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DocM
i would certainly much prefer to see good social distancing (and if the rules becoming 1m that should only be a minimum not a target) than seeing increased mask/face covering except in situations where distancing is just not possible.
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Jun 2020
2:31pm, 12 Jun 2020
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larkim
Reposting jda's link on the main C19 thread - evidence that appears credible that face coverings are an effective help in the preventing of transmission. iza.org Agree with the observations that some people wear them as if they are giving themselves immunity and / or becoming completely incapable of onward transmission. Though equally, transient passing within 2m carries almost no risk of transmission unless the person passing is busy coughing etc. |
Jun 2020
4:30pm, 12 Jun 2020
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run free
Jenny - I see it as a movement with rules and regs that will force people to think about "we" in order to make sense of the rules. e.g. wearing a mask is not so much about protecting the wearer but about protecting those around; social distancing is about protecting both parties; then there are the environmental concerns & social divisions.
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Jun 2020
6:39pm, 12 Jun 2020
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JR
Jda - Apologies it wasn’t re excess deaths it was about there being a 50% drop in people being treated in A&E for heart attacks. I don’t imagine people are not having heart attacks anymore but maybe they are now dying at home rather than getting treatment. Here’s the link - as quoted by the British Heart a Foundation bhf.org.uk
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