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Jul 2020
12:36pm, 19 Jul 2020
8,794 posts
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simbil
Shrug. None of that's a secret and people voted for him in droves.
It is what it is - early next year we'll see where we are with Brexit and c19. Regardless of what kind of person people tend to vote for, there may end up being a groundswell of failures that makes his leadership untenable. If that's how it pans out, people might think twice before voting for the populist right again, you'd hope..
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Jul 2020
12:44pm, 19 Jul 2020
7,920 posts
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jda
They’ll blame the EU, remainers and covid, and the same 13 million will still vote for them because it’s easier than taking responsibility for the predictable consequences of your decisions.
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Jul 2020
12:51pm, 19 Jul 2020
8,795 posts
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simbil
Nope, those 13 million don't all have one mind.
Much will depend how the opposition parties are looking at the time and there is reason to hope that at least Labour will be in a much more electable position to appeal to some of those 13 million.
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Jul 2020
1:02pm, 19 Jul 2020
27,969 posts
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macca 53
.....just waiting to see if we get the photoshopped soviet imagery of comrades cummings and johnson in Thursday’s newspapers....
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Jul 2020
1:12pm, 19 Jul 2020
36,760 posts
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Nellers
Sadly I think that the opposition will look bad to at least those 13m next time round regardless of what a good job they might be doing or how terrible the tories are. The press want Boris because Boris doesn't stop the super-rich doing what they want to do, and the super-rich control the press.
I keep hearing that if it had been someone other that Corbyn in charge the election would have been different. I don't see it. I think they'll turn their guns on whoever looks like a threat and take them down. This time it'll be Starmer's turn.
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Jul 2020
1:21pm, 19 Jul 2020
30,491 posts
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SPR
The fact that Corbyn was seen as unelectable while Boris wasn't says you're right to me Nellers.
Or how Ed Miliband ate a sandwich was important.
Definitely need the press onside it seems.
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Jul 2020
1:28pm, 19 Jul 2020
16,371 posts
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Chrisull
Apparently in the red wall constituencies it's already 50-37 (on average) in favour of Labour, despite Labour being between 4-10 points behind overall in the polls.
Starmer personally is running 24 points ahead of Johnson in approval ratings. Things take time, people only voted 7-8 months ago, they're not willing to admit they got it wrong yet!
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Jul 2020
1:36pm, 19 Jul 2020
2,852 posts
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J2R
I think that's right, SPR. We keep hearing about the fact that the printed press is far less important than it used to be, with sales much lower, but I'm never sure about this. They still seem to be able to set the narrative, if only by their headlines which then get discussed elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure if you asked a whole load of BoJo's fans what they liked about him, it would be exactly the image of him the Mail, Express and Telegraph had been cultivating. I fear that it may not be possible to vote out a Government which the Tory press is still backing. As I recall it, Blair's big win in 1997 came after the Sun had turned against Major.
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Jul 2020
1:44pm, 19 Jul 2020
2,086 posts
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Dave W
Unfortunately same as the US. There is a core of voters for whom Trump can say or do anything, and they'd still vote for him, cos he's "their man".
Makes me wonder about the human psyche, cos to me he just seems to be the most incompetent buffoon that has ever been the president.
But, hey ho, people vote for who they vote for for their own reasons. Just cos I think that both him and BoJo are raving idiots with zero empathy and thin skins and the morals of a gutter rat doesn't mean everyone else will, despite overwhelming evidence that they are.
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Jul 2020
1:45pm, 19 Jul 2020
23,552 posts
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Johnny Blaze
A sizeable proportion of the English population are still mainlining on Brexit. We got are borders back blah blah blah. If we crash out on no deal there is nowhere left for the Tories to hide, short of bombing the EU. It's all on them.
People were warned but they bought the lies and the bullshit and were happy to do so if it kept Johnny Foreigner out, whatever the cost to the Union, whatever the cost to the economy. Well, we're paying now, and boy are we paying.
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