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How is your running surviving Covid chaos?

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Apr 2020
10:03pm, 5 Apr 2020
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swittle
A valuable post, Canute. ^

Keir Starmer's measured leadership campaign has, I believe, allowed him to hit the ground running in respect of the collaboration with government that is more important than ever at this time.
Apr 2020
11:18am, 6 Apr 2020
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Muttley
I was disappointed to see Keir Starmer back Hancock's threats about tightening the rules further. I would have expected a human rights lawyer to reject collective punishment and tell them to enforce the existing rules properly against transgressors. With no pubs and clubs or public gatherings like demos or sports events to look after, I'm sure Plod have the capacity. Even if some of them are off sick or isolating.
Apr 2020
12:05pm, 6 Apr 2020
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Canute
I do not want to leap to judgment about Hancock, Starmer nor the police just yet.

The current regulations appear to be designed for policing via consent rather than prosecution. I would anticipate that it would be tricky to secure prosecution in court for violation of a regulation that states that a reasonable excuse for a person leaving their house includes: ‘to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household’, unless there is clear evidence of mingling with people who are not from your household.

I personally am delighted to have such a broadly specified regulation, and am happy to accept policing by consent.

There is also good evidence that a large proportion of the population are consenting and are at complying with the regulations moderately well.

However the precise interpretation of this regulation and the mechanism for enforcement is debateable. The guidance from government spokespeople has been inconsistent. In some instance the police might be over-reacting. In other instances, members of the public are interpreting the rules as they see fit for their own personal situation.

There is some weak evidence that the rate of new cases might be slowing, but that is far from clear.

I hope that we can break the chain of transmission under the current regulations, policed by consent. If however, there is not more convincing evidence that the rate of new cases is decreasing in the near future, I would first of all want to see the police being even heavier handed in breaking up groups of people in the outdoors and if that doesn’t work, I think tighteneing of the regulations should be considered.
jda
Apr 2020
12:16pm, 6 Apr 2020
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jda
I think it's important to realise that by far the biggest factor in spreading the disease is almost certainly people continuing to work in a variety of unsafe circumstances. All this attention to people having the temerity to sit down by themselves in a public place is just blame-shifting.
Apr 2020
12:21pm, 6 Apr 2020
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Muttley
Agreed, Canute. Another option might be localized restrictions. The approach needed for a densely populated area like an inner city might not be appropriate to a sparsely populated rural area.

It's a tough line to walk and I'm broadly on side with what the govt is doing, even if in normal circumstances I'm no fan of theirs.
jda
Apr 2020
12:30pm, 6 Apr 2020
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jda
If the govt wants to control it on the lines that the rest of Europe has, it probably needs to shut down much more commercial activity than it has done so far. Though we probably won't know that for sure for a week or two more. If the current controls are inadequate then they will have merely wasted 3 weeks, cost us all a huge amount of money, and allowed the problem to get worse.

The modelling that supported the current policies was extremely optimistic to the point of being wholly unrealistic, even when it was first published in mid-March. The situation has deteriorated more rapidly since then. Yet the chief scientist responsible for it was on Marr yesterday still talking about possibly limiting the deaths to 7000! Utter nonsense that will be proven wrong in the next few days.
jda
Apr 2020
12:30pm, 6 Apr 2020
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jda
Oops sorry wrong thread. Didn't mean to interrupt the running talk. Running is not the problem in any of this!
Apr 2020
12:49pm, 6 Apr 2020
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Canute
jda
I hope we do keep the focus on running-related discussion here. Nonetheless, your point about the possibility that employment related spread is more important than outdoor activity related spread is a good point. I hope that current Public Health monitoring includes questioning about recent activity and contacts in a large smaple of established cases of covid-19. Such monitoring is likely to be crucial for the eventual development of a sensible ‘exit strategy’ and also for any decisions about tightening restrictions.
Apr 2020
12:50pm, 6 Apr 2020
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covidcider
Actually getting out for a run more often, avoiding cycling outdoors currently and with no commute and three people under the roof i often go alone or with my son to give space to everyone.

Not cycling outdoors not due to the chance of a crash but because anecdotally a lot of my fellow cyclists seem to be abusing the spirit of the guidance
Apr 2020
1:06pm, 6 Apr 2020
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SarahWoo
I'm running every other day which is more than I've done in ages, mostly because I now have more time (2 hours which would have been spent commuting) and because MrW is also working at home and comes with me. I'm hoping I can sustain the habit once we get back to normal - whenever that might be.
I'm seeing all sorts of people out running that I've never seen before. I wonder if that's because the gyms are closed?

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Covid-19 case numbers continue to rise exponentially in the UK.

It is even more crucial to do everything we can to slow the rate of onset of new cases. Nonetheless, exercise remains important for our health.

The relevant piece of the legislation in England is:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020

Restrictions on movement

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(a) to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money, including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;

(b) to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;

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That is an abbreviated version. Here is a link to a more comprehensive specification of section 6:
legislation.gov.uk

Similar regulations apply in Scotland, where section 8, (5) (b) states:
(b) to take exercise, either alone or with other members of their household.
In Northern Ireland, section 5 (2) (b) is the same:
(b) to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;

In Wales, the regulations state that you can leave the house no more than once a day for exercise, The relevant section [section 8] states:

(b) to take exercise, no more than once a day, either alone or with other members of the household.

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Here is a link to the guidance regarding a reasonable excuse to leave the house, issued by the National Police Chiefs Council (for England):
college.police.uk
Note added 26th May: unfortunately the clear guidelines issued in April have been taken down and replaced by a more complex collection of documents.
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The fact that the government accepts the importance of exercise places a responsibility on us to exercise in a way that reduces our risk of becoming a clinical case rather than increasing our risk.

Here is a review of the factors that influence the relationship between exercise and function of the immune system
fetcheveryone.com/blog/13360/2020/3#blog403926
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