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Nov 2016
11:12am, 19 Nov 2016
22,806 posts
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GlennR
It was still true in the 1990s.
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Nov 2016
11:26am, 19 Nov 2016
436 posts
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Ulric
Quite right, Saint. 
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Nov 2016
11:49am, 19 Nov 2016
10,715 posts
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Bazoaxe
I find that it varies with experience and the pace/effort put in.
While I can be like Gobi and do without on training runs (and sure I could on non raced marathons as well) I know that I couldnt run my best marathon without taking something on board
I also well recall my first ever 20 miler on a hot day which was totally unfuelled and I was in a bit of a mess when I finished until I slowly got some fuel in
I think its dangerous to be underfuelling until you have prepared your body for it over a number of years
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Nov 2016
1:27pm, 19 Nov 2016
10,502 posts
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Fenland_Plodder
Comparisons with times gone by are futile. Years ago only the cream ran. Now the cream of the crop have better things to do. And also running is a pastime, hobby, something people do for 'fun'.
I agree with Leon, fueling is really individualistic and also agree with Baz, over time you can develop less reliance on fuel, but it does take time over years.
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Nov 2016
4:54pm, 19 Nov 2016
5,937 posts
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The_Saint
I'd like to believe that the nostalgia is just so for my own ego's sake but when I look at results for a 10 Mile race I ran in 2008 where I was 68th in 1:10:10 the winner ran 51:13 and 14 runners were inside the hour and compare that to the same race in 1988 where the winner ran 48:37 and 95 runners were inside the hour.
The idea that the "cream of the crop" are elsewhere now in South Wales just isn't supported by any facts, people who run are still people who run, they just aren't as fast.
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Nov 2016
8:45pm, 19 Nov 2016
250 posts
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Dillthedog57
Going slightly off topic, but I was amazed watching a local cycling clubs 10 mile time trial in the summer, the fellas riding were kitted out in space age stuff of all sorts of aerodynamic kit with bikes that looked like they must have cost more than my car. When I looked up the times they were posting they were no faster and if anything quite a bit slower than when I used to race in the late 70s and early 80s with very little more than a steel bike and a woolly top. I was castigating the mamils for having all the kit and no legs. But now I get the feeling that the Saint would be saying the same about me as an elderly runner with my gels and Asics trainers!
Then again, people used to climb the Matterhorn with hob nail boots and tweed jackets....
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Nov 2016
7:41am, 24 Nov 2016
22 posts
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Komodo
Is this slowing of race times because the average age of participants has gone up? Don't see that many 20 somethings in races.
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Nov 2016
8:02am, 24 Nov 2016
451 posts
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Ulric
I don't think its just one thing. But yes road races are dominated by M40s and upwards but not clear if that is a cause or an effect. I think unless you have mass fitness data from say early secondary school its hard to pin down. The other day there was some idiot on the news setting a new WR for bungee tea dunking. Is that what youngsters aspire to? Surely there must be some kids who want to be the next Mo Farah or Laura Muir?
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Dec 2016
3:30pm, 1 Dec 2016
3,863 posts
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funkyblizzard
So, what do people use for working out HR zones? Garmin watch give loads of options: %maxHR, %LTHR and %HRR (HRmax-HRresting). And after you have selected the method then you have to work out the % thresholds.
I've looked at a couple of the methods and the top of my Z2 varies from 122 to 142!
By the way my resting HR is about 50 (my 735 reckons its 44 but I think that's a bit low) and my max is 174 (got in the last month at parkrun)
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Dec 2016
3:36pm, 1 Dec 2016
32,887 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
FB you need to 'workout' you Max and then do it from there everyone different can't do it from general age
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