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Oct 2009
11:17pm, 15 Oct 2009
441 posts
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IanRunner
Thats why I use a hr monitor.If I didnt I would always be running too hard. It has stopped me from getting injured too.
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Oct 2009
11:25pm, 15 Oct 2009
305 posts
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It's only now that people are using HRMs that they whine that a pace for a given HR is too slow., trouble is - rather than fixing this they snub it and either say balls to the whole thing or start up a decent bit higher.
To pikey Hadd's toothpaste analogy, this isn't snipping only the top of the paste out any more, but you're still neglecting a fair portion.
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Oct 2009
11:32pm, 15 Oct 2009
306 posts
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It's this "irrelevant" piece that infact is the most important and pushes everything else up far higher, you start your building right from the bottom, it is THE base, if you half arse this you're not really working on the foundations, you're starting on the flooring or worse.
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Oct 2009
6:44am, 16 Oct 2009
5,670 posts
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Boab
Those two plugs from the Hadd doc are probably amongst the most important. You have to become aerobically fit over the entire HR range sub LT. If you don't you are missing a huge chunk of aerobic fitness.
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Oct 2009
7:48am, 16 Oct 2009
7,761 posts
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SPR™
Has there been a case of someone having high end aerobic fitness (steady at high end) and not having low end aerobic fitness? Would think any issue would be form changing at slower paces TBH.
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Oct 2009
7:57am, 16 Oct 2009
10,479 posts
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eL Bee!
Think of it like building a house, SPR.
Its like as the final bits of internal decoration get finished, a contractor arrives with..... "So this foundation trench you need filling...."
Just as the house starts to sink and break up
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Oct 2009
8:18am, 16 Oct 2009
1,152 posts
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Sloggerian
or the parable of the man who built his house on sand...
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Oct 2009
8:24am, 16 Oct 2009
7,763 posts
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SPR™
But is the division in the aerobic range artificial, in other words is aerobic fitness the foundation? The problem being people running out of the aerobic range not the pace they run in the aerobic range.
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Oct 2009
10:00am, 16 Oct 2009
1,403 posts
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Chrisull
Can we also qualify how you do you know if you have aerobic fitness? Are we talking say the normal formula for if I have run 5k at x.xx pace then according to the usual formula, if I am aerobically fit I should be able to run x.xx.xx for a marathon? Or something more complex involving the measuring of your HRM as per Hadd's recommendations.
PS In answer to the earlier questions I had about the two runners - both had very good bases I believe yes. The 33 min 10ker had a weird anomaly, all his times were in line, from 10k up to 50 mile ultra, except for marathon, he hasn't managed a sub 3 hour marathon, but his 40 mile ultra time was 5hrs 30something (which would imply he could run it)
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Oct 2009
11:15am, 16 Oct 2009
308 posts
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Gah, Chris, read the document, your answers are in there.
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