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Oct 2009
10:08am, 10 Oct 2009
1,789 posts
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Belper Bear
Well' I certainly aint going to ignore it, I assure you.
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Oct 2009
10:15am, 10 Oct 2009
31,362 posts
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Gobi
Chi
I think you end up going down the "you probably didn't try hard enough" comments
G
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Oct 2009
10:24am, 10 Oct 2009
10,373 posts
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eL Bee!
G - with Ultras there is a point at which it becomes necessary to take on fuel. (And that point is from the start, as you know)
But over marathon distance I am less convinced of the necessity for most folk.
As for the "you didn't try hard enough" nonsense, if you experience the wall in the marathon (wherever you do) you went too fast for your conditioning. Simple as!!!
If you don't, then you are on the right side of the Bell Curve of effort/pace for the distance.
Over cook the marathon pace by 1% and you'll crash and burn
Undercook it by 1% and you'll run a quicker time, AND have the information available to you to tweak it to 0.5% next time.
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Oct 2009
10:27am, 10 Oct 2009
31,363 posts
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Gobi
Bee - tough one and always arguements either way, I've cooked it and I've got it right in both events I used gels
Like most things in running more than one approach.
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Oct 2009
10:32am, 10 Oct 2009
1,102 posts
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Sloggerian
I've been watching this thread develop with interest and the more I think about it the more it make sense. I obviously haven't been following the programme but looking back at my training in the context of everyone's comments I can see that the stuff that's given me benefit fits with what you're all recommending, and the stuff that doesn't, hasn't (if you see what I mean)
If you don't mind I'll continue lurking and might chip in every now and then with the odd question?
1 initial question would be (and excuse me for not having read the document in full yet) how important is the multiple session per day bit? I can see myself really struggling with that - not for lack of trying but just cos of the way work etc plays out...
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Oct 2009
10:34am, 10 Oct 2009
10,374 posts
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eL Bee!
Indeed! When you break things down into their smallest parts and related to a particular individual, then that is definitely true,
but as a general rule of thumb.....!
And sometimes the psychological element is just as important as the physical element.
You could argue that if you over did it in an event adn you didn't in another, both of which you took gels for, then the aspect that didn't change (and didn't make a difference) was the gels.
Equally you could say that in the event where you DID overdo it, the gels stopped you from grinding to a complete stop!
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Oct 2009
10:37am, 10 Oct 2009
3,484 posts
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Big Al Widepants
I don't think you'd need to look too hard to find a Hadd devotee who hit the wall in a marathon. Me At Moray about 4 weeks ago. HR a little too high but only a little mind you, for the first 20. Last 6 hellish. Was 2.39.02 for 20 miles. Finished in 3.36.
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Oct 2009
10:38am, 10 Oct 2009
10,375 posts
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eL Bee!
Sloggerian - anecdotally, I really rate the concept of multiple sessions, and making your training simply something that you *do* (so you find opportunities to run when you'd otherwise have said Buggrit (or somesuch)) then it becomes remarkably easy to fit it in.
Some grumpy old bloke advised me on that a while ago!!
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Oct 2009
10:39am, 10 Oct 2009
10,376 posts
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eL Bee!
Big Al - which illustrates the point perfectly - go out even a little bit to hard for you conditioning, and it'll bite you later on!
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Oct 2009
10:54am, 10 Oct 2009
421 posts
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IanRunner
Sloggerian - Hadd does'nt really mention any importance of doing multiple daily sessions.Infact if anything he advises that you only do one run per day but for longer mainly at least 45 minutes but preferably 60 minutes plus.I
I've been doing doubles with it up to now, mainly because its the only way I can increase my mileage, with work, life etc. Often some of my runs have only been 30 minutes so I may not get the full benefit but its the best I can do to increase the mileage. I think alot of people will find the same.
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