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Jun 2007
3:25pm, 4 Jun 2007
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Fuelled by Chinese takeaways and Guiness 
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Jun 2007
3:49pm, 4 Jun 2007
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run free
141 pages.....has there been a conversation about the differences and benefits for POSE and Evolution? Heard Danny studied POSE first before settling on CHI.
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Jun 2007
4:01pm, 4 Jun 2007
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toddytyke
yep - read and enjoy.
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Jun 2007
4:24pm, 4 Jun 2007
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cabletow
all three are styles of running that are very efficient - there are similarities between all of them eg landing under the cog rather than in front of the runner. land on a bent knee rather than a extended leg to minimise braking, liftinf the heel and increasing the cadence to help with the under COG landing. Also running with an engaged core and leaning forward with a short arm swing that extends out to the rear.
the differences are mainly philosophical and approach to learning and training. Anatomically Chi and Stride mechanics use a mid foot land and pos and evolution use a forefoot land.
All 4 styles reduce the risk of injury increase endurance and are becoming more popular. Chi is perhaps the style that is most relaxed both in approach and in from - many of the focuses are to minimise push off and use of teh lower legs to generate power. In other forms of running these are effects of drills rather than expressed aims.
It is true that DD attended a POSE clinic but there are big differences between the two The aim of Chi is to use gravity to generate forward momentum (like POSE) but body position, foot placement and stride length are all different and Whilst to the untrained eye they may look similar you can see big differences in leg position knee position and that is why there is a difference
If there other issues just ask though we love POSE as much as chi here and try not to let our prefernces cloud the issue that we are all here to achieve the sasme thing.
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Jun 2007
8:24pm, 4 Jun 2007
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ChrisHB
Hope your new PC hasn't got Windows vista. My son has one such and hates it.
Going back a few pages, I run in Nike Frees and some sort of Mizuno wave but it doesn't say on the shoe, and I can't remember what it said on the box.
Today I was far too tired to run, but fortunately I'd already got as far as the running track before I realised. My loosening exercises which were desperately needed took almost 20 minutes instead of the usual 3-5 as I sought to motivate myself. Anyway I set off for two miles. The first lap showed with low speed and high HR that all was not well, but by the second lap everything was going far better, so the whole run was slightly faster and at a slightly higher HR than I'd intended, and of course the tiredness was a thing of the past.
Unwanted tension is still my biggest problem. Do the vertical crunch without tensing lower back or glutes - I actually find it funny that I can't do it. A bit like Laurel and Hardy: watch the clown try a simple task over and over again, and fail in a different way each time.
When I stretch I always yawn extravagantly: even if I only spread my fingers as wide as they can go, I feel something running up my arm that turns into a yawn just after it's reached my neck. What's that about?
My briliant employer has worked out that instead of making 100s of people redundant, they only need to merge two offices so half the staff will have to drive an extra 45 miles round the M25 morning and night, and lots will leave of their own accord. If I have to have a hellish commute I might as well work in London and get a London salary.
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Jun 2007
8:46pm, 4 Jun 2007
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6 miles for me today, I tried to work on keeping core engaged and cadence of 170 bpm. Other than the feeling of a vertical crunch is there a good way while running to check whether core is engaged and column is as it should be. I try to body sense it and maybe all is well but it seems quite hard to use the same body sense as when stood still if that makes any sense.
Managed 170 bpm all of the way but it really doesn't come naturally to run with the short stride required. Couldn't see footstrike or quads when looking down so must have been doing something right, but at times I felt a long way from Chi!!
Sorry about the job situation Chris. At least or run sounded like it ended well even if it didn't start well!
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Jun 2007
9:16pm, 4 Jun 2007
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ChrisHB
Golly, when I look at DD on the promotional video, I think he's moving anything but gracefully, and that's very much how I feel. Many pages ago someone here spoke of "fairy steps" and I find that a helpful idea if amusing when applied to someone of my height, gender and age. Six miles of keeping your focus is fantastic specially as the cadence is possibly the hardest of them. I'm still holding fire on the cadence.
A week ago I started making notes on the book because I find writing things down is the best way to learn, but I've gone and lost the notebook.
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Jun 2007
10:00pm, 4 Jun 2007
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cabletow
The easiest way to check the crunch is to put a hand down there. Thumb in navel and fingers on pubic bone and bring thumb and fingers together a split second check and correction
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Jun 2007
10:29pm, 4 Jun 2007
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ChrisHB
Poppy, the shop must be able to repair the old one and retrieve your missing data. I'm sure the new PC will work perfectly once they've replaced whatever's broken. But don't forget that with Windows Vista the enhanced security they're marketing is to stop the user from doing things that the big corporations don't like.
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Jun 2007
5:04am, 5 Jun 2007
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toddytyke
chris, take heart and remain focused. First gear is not graceful and feels funny but in third and fourth Danny runs well in my opinion. For me, first gear's main purpose is to learn the alignment and practice keeping the posture over increasing distances. The vertical crunch to join the dots is tough for long periods. Use the exercises, like leaning against the table to strengthen your core muscles and that will allow you to keep a good posture for longer. Then, lean some more, run faster and enjoy the sensation. Running with a slight injury has shown me conclusively the value of Chi. Each step that is out of alignment causes a little discomfort - but when I raise my heels and minimise the time my foot is contact with the ground I can run pain free. Without ChiRunning I would be sidelined at the moment. Calf much improved this morning. Not sure why I struggled yesterday. No running until Thursday when hopefully I will achieve Saturday's result.
Hope that everyone's run today brings a little more enlightenment.
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