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Mar 2015
7:10am, 5 Mar 2015
1,669 posts
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MikeR.
I did race the fling but as it turns out last years fling was the first time it went the way I had planned.
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Mar 2015
9:36am, 5 Mar 2015
24,222 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Aha, you all have jobs where you actually have to work. I get it, so you do your chatting at night, when I'm watching telly (well, a bit of training/running sometimes too, tbf!)
57DoP - yes, something similar to that approach, I think. The reason I don't think I'm completely trashed the couple of days after a 50 miler is because I'm not actually good enough (like Boab and MikeR) to run that hard. Unlike a marathon where I know exactly how to go as hard as I can. And re. building up over years, I def agree with that - I think I can eliminate some of the basic time costing mistakes just by learning from other people, reading their blogs etc. (like don't sit too long, or don't sit at all, at checkpoints, don't slow to a slow walk on hills, march/trot, eat early, keep hydrated, don't get cold etc.) but some of it is def just Years in the Legs, I think. However, I have been doing this for a couple years now, so hoping that my decent volume during marathon training, plus highest total mileage last year and same this year, will carry me through.
It is 11 weeks from G2E to WHW. That's a long time to recover. After G2E I was going to have one easy week then back up to full distance again the 2nd week after. So even for training that's quite a decent recovery period, I thought.
The bit I'm missing is hills, I suspect. I need to either do hill reps or just hit some shorter hilly runs hard. I don't think 25-30 miles in the Pentlands counts because I'd be doing that very slowly. So while it's good hill walk practice, it's not actually giving me the additional strength that I need.
Mrs s and all doing the D33, have a great time. Top race. And I guess everyone's "doing it for George" this year. It will be very special, I'm sure.  G
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Mar 2015
11:22am, 5 Mar 2015
71,414 posts
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santababy
I think you do plenty hills. Youre in the pentlands al lthe time and i've seen how you run up hills.
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Mar 2015
11:38am, 5 Mar 2015
894 posts
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RedWineRunner
Hello, my ears were burning.
Yes, given my previous involvement with the race I don't feel like I'm dipping into the unknown really. I have nothing more to add, but since you're asking: I'm not doing anything different at the moment than I have last year and the year before when I trained for the Great Glen Ultra in July. If anything I am doing a little less - if I trained with such fervour for such an extended period of time I would be burnt out and bored as shit by June.
So far I have concentrated on a strong running endurance build-up for the D33, which I will then add to with more technical training before the Fling. After than I'll have one more 'big' weekend at the end of May and then that will be me all set.
I'm glad I have confidence in my own training plan and how it will work for me. HappyG - if I was a brand new whw n00b readiing this and saw that as a non-elite you're planning on bursting out several 30/20 weekends and a 40/30 weekend, then I would be shitting my pants. I'm really not convinced that's necessary, but if you really want to do that and are sure that the recovery from those efforts won't set you back then...rock on. Just be wise about it and don't over-cook yourself.
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Mar 2015
2:17pm, 5 Mar 2015
24,227 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I've got the time R. I like being out there and running. I've done 70+ mile weeks before for VLM (only a marathon after all! ) and I've done "hard stuff" in training campaigns before, like 15 miles at marathon pace, and long tempos and things for a specific goal (again, at VLM). So I'm happy to put the work in. I'm just looking for help with what the "right" work is! I could/should probably have paid for a coach! But I'm a cheapskate!
As to whether it's required to get to the start line in best shape. Well, I can only go on my limited experience. Before Glenmore 24, I did a 50, some back to backs 30+13, 32+22, 27+14, an easy marathon etc. and I only just managed 105 miles in 24 hours on a flattish course. So my logic is, I need to something considerably more to be able to WHW in 22-24 type time.
Sounds like your plan is going well R. I looked at your numbers and actually I thought they looked pretty huge. So I'm sure you should be confident. G
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Mar 2015
2:26pm, 5 Mar 2015
71,415 posts
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santababy
there is no right or wrong, not really. We are alll so different in ability and what we can and want to to put into it. Look at Antonia, i was doing my second double day and she joined me at BoO, i'd ran from tyndrum. (PaulH was with us too) that was not only her first time on that part of course, it was her longest run (and only long one)
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Mar 2015
2:28pm, 5 Mar 2015
71,416 posts
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santababy
its a bit like asking, should i eat this, buy this or wear this? Again its subjective. I think you're doing whats right for YOU. have faith in it. I just worry thats a bit too much. But hey i'm perhaps maybe too cautious. I just follow Ians plans though
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Mar 2015
4:14pm, 5 Mar 2015
895 posts
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RedWineRunner
"I'm just looking for help with what the "right" work is!"
There are probably some conclusions which could be drawn from the fact that no-one else who has done the race in this thread has done (or is doing) such high volume back-to-backs. However I am totally of the opinion that there is no right or wrong (which is why I hate getting dragged into these kinds of discussions sometimes!! ), and if it works for you and your lifestyle then more strength to you.
My worry that it is borne of too prescriptive a conclusion from your previous training; i.e you have evidence that X+Y+Z = 105 flat miles in 24 hours, therefore it is assumed that (X+Y+Z) x 2 = 95 hilly miles in 22 hrs. Mathematical paraphrasing obviously, but a lot of other things were at play at Glenmore and the two races are like night and day in my opinion. It's a very linear way to pull together a training plan which I know can vaguely be applied to shorter road and track times, but I'm not sold on it for planning an ultra training plan.
I hope this doesn't read like I'm sticking the knife in - I really amn't, especially as i'm in no verified position to do so! - but you did ask for opinions and discussion so I finally took the bait! Everyone gets to the start (and finish) in different ways so it really doesn't matter. As long as we all earn a goblet in the end, who cares
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Mar 2015
4:35pm, 5 Mar 2015
4,529 posts
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100forRNIB
Wise words SB
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Mar 2015
4:37pm, 5 Mar 2015
24,230 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
All good feedback santa and RWR, all appreciated.
Would be delighted if santa is right that my plod around the Pentlands every now and again is good enough to be called hill training. And similarly if you are right that a less than confident performance at race X doesn't mean a bad performance at race Y, given same or similar training, then I suppose that would be good. I could understand your thinking that it's not "linear" like flat, road 10K to half mara to mara would be. But I still feel I need to do more to get more (i.e. to do OK at a tough one like WHW).
I also know the amount of focused hill work, strength work etc. that a couple of good WHWers are doing (I know it's always a mistake to compare oneself with others etc. but folk of similar ability in races I have done etc.)
It's all good input and I really do appreciate it. Thanks. I will continue to go carefully, but to try and push my training and incorporate things that I read about or hear about that seem sensible or beneficial as I go.
Anyone know how long the last (May) WHW training weekend runs are likely to be? What have they been previously? G
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