F'Laps - Saturday 5th July
Join in with our challenge this Saturday. Run a set distance every hour until you can't run any more!The Environment Thread :-)
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Jul 2020
1:31pm, 6 Jul 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
I don't think you were exactly banned Fozzy! I just spoke in support of your continued posting. But then it's not my thread. This one is though! So I've added that link to the side bar. Thanks!  G
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Jul 2020
1:34pm, 6 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Another good link is this one: cleantechnica.com Gets a bit Tesla Fanboi-ish occasionally (and there are far far far too many Tesla articles on it in general), but it is good for keeping abreast of various RE/clean tech devleopments. |
Jul 2020
1:37pm, 6 Jul 2020
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simbil
Continuing on that theme, something that might be an unexpected side affect of AVs could be more adoption as people can still 'drive' when they are much older. All those older folk now that rely on busses could have an AV. So unless more people pool cars / hire, there could end up being even more cars than there are now. Mobility for oldies is good, don't get me wrong - just thought it might be an interesting environmental consideration where the tech leads to unexpected outcomes. |
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Jul 2020
1:38pm, 6 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Just picking an interesting article at random from the current front page: cleantechnica.com The much vaunted natural gas bridge that many (particularly fracking proponents) trumpet (meaning 30-40 years more NG use) is unlikely to happen. I started to realise this about 3-4 years ago when I could see wind and solar falling below NG gas prices. And the cost of batteries plummeting like a stone. Often the comments on that site also good with good posters too. |
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Jul 2020
1:39pm, 6 Jul 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
Everything I've read simbil says, even with great uptake, the idea is that AVs will be more like taxis and less like "owned" cars. There's some stat about 80% of all cars are parked at any given time (at home, work car park etc.) so car ownership would massively reduce. The number that are moving around might go up. But as long as each one is clean, and they can probably be packed in more densely, with automatic traffic management, then it should still be a win in every way? |
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Jul 2020
1:40pm, 6 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Simbil - the likelihood is that AVs will be owned by fleets and act like "uber-style" vehicles that you call when needed and then they go away and do another job when you've finished. At least that's Tony Seba's analysis - he argues that it will simply be cheaper that way. |
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Jul 2020
1:51pm, 6 Jul 2020
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simbil
The likelihood is that companies will respond to market demands / create market demands much as they always have to make money Can't think of what economics would push manufacturers to a pooled model rather than a sit a car outside your house model? They will be keen for as many people to own a car as possible as they are just widget sellers at the end of the day. |
Jul 2020
1:52pm, 6 Jul 2020
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run free
Foz - yeah pick up on different things Was giving examples of folk who have thought out of the box and redefined their own framework. There is a global zero waste movement where folk are rethinking "normal" so the framework is changing. Hence changing running events to encourage their own participants to BYOR bottle/cup/bladder Thank you for pointing out the coconut oil. Hadn't thought about that as we have sooo many coconuts in SEA. Reason in SEA that we don't use it in regular cooking is cos folk are scared of it as it is high in saturated fats and so many believe it is unhealthy for you. So many will drink the water but not eat the flesh - hence coconut water drinks. Such a great food. Would definitely be unhappy if mangrove swamps were being cleared for coconut plantations. Will have to see how virgin rapeseed oil works. I know some different options for toothpaste. I left regular toothpaste due to the plastic packaging. |
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Jul 2020
1:58pm, 6 Jul 2020
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run free
Great links Foz
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Jul 2020
2:09pm, 6 Jul 2020
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rf_fozzy
Simbil - but that's the point - with disruptive technologies companies cannot always respond to the market. Think of Kodak - they were aware of the digital camera revolution about to take place. But they assumed it was (a) linear growth and (b) that their expertise could be simply translated to the new technology. Narrator: They were wrong. Blockbuster is another example. There is the very real chance that several of the major manufacturers who make ICE (some argue *all*) will disappear. And instead we'll have Google, Tesla, BYD and others we've never heard of. So the Tony Seba vision is that new companies will come along build AVs that operate a bit like Uber, and then they'll drive you where you want, drop you off etc and the key point is that it's *cheaper* for the consumer - because you're only paying for the time you're using the vehicle and not the 90% of time it's sat on the drive or in a car parking space. No upfront capital costs for the consumer, no running costs, no thoughts about anything except where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine you're going to a foodbank and can't afford even £500 for a used car. But you can hail an AV to get you to where you need to go for <50p a time. I already know quite a lot of people use taxis to do the weekly shop because they can't afford cars and it works out cheaper to get a taxi once a week than to buy a car and have all the running costs it entails (tax, MOT, petrol, servicing etc). |
Useful Links
FE accepts no responsibility for external links. Or anything, really.- why Kodak completely missed the boat when it came to digital cameras
- rf_fozzy: This is quite a good article about how disruptive technology work
- run free's Grand Designs example Ben Laws is a man who built his dream
- Carbon Commentary carboncommentary.com
- UK ombudsman for problems with electricity or gas
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