The Environment Thread :-)
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Jun 2022
11:09am, 6 Jun 2022
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Hanneke
No serious commitments at all in my view. It angers me! How are we expected to make a difference if our governments have a total.disregard of the situation?
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Jun 2022
11:18am, 6 Jun 2022
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run free
Interesting to see the US taking a stance. Unfortunately the climate crisis is not urgent enough; nor blatant enough to the masses and thus those in power. We want infinite amounts of energy to do whatever we like / have convenience even if it is screwing us and generating lots of waste. Sometimes I don't want to care. |
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Jun 2022
11:34am, 6 Jun 2022
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Hanneke
Yeah, I feel like that RF... So resort to just doing my thing these days. There seems to be no stopping the drive to consumption. Unnecessary consumption... My phone is in the process of becoming obsolete. I will not replace it! My last one lasted 5 years, this one was bought in 2020 to replace the old one. I still regret I folded but I needed it to run an app that controls my security cameras 🙄 Neighbours vandalising my property by spraying herbicides on my plants/crops/trees/native hedges I planted. They object to my weed cultivation and increasing bio-diversity. On what used to be half an acre of their field. It obviously pains them to see that after leaving the strip barren for 8 years, to get rid of fertilisers and pest and herbicides, it has now become a heap of "weeds and wilderness" in stead of prime grazing and hay meadow. |
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Jun 2022
11:45am, 6 Jun 2022
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run free
At my last marathon, was chatting to a guy. He had asked about children which I don't have and he said "It's a shame cos you don't have someone to pass on this legacy of what you're doing". Hanneke - what you're doing sounds magic. Maybe I can come over to help you to evangelise your neighbourhood 
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Jun 2022
11:49am, 6 Jun 2022
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cackleberry
I think people see climate change as something that will happen in the future. Something that will happen to someone else. Trouble is, it will affect us all, in a potentially very catastrophic fashion. |
Jun 2022
12:06pm, 6 Jun 2022
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jda
The environmental legacy we leave is to everyone, not just our own children.
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Jun 2022
12:35pm, 6 Jun 2022
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HappyG(rrr)
cnbc.com "“Having a child is 7-times worse for the climate in CO2 emissions annually than the next 10 most discussed mitigants that individuals can do,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said." But let's not go there! Agree with all above, insufficient urgency, too much pandering to "economic damage" blah, blah. We can't sustain the current economic model which is based on "take it out of ground, make a disposable product, sell it and repeat." Multiple sales as quickly as possible are the basis of the entire economic system. Even the concept of "GDP growth" being published every month etc. |
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Jun 2022
1:06pm, 6 Jun 2022
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run free
Agree JDA. It is what we leave for every living creature. I need to find some positives to help lift this slightly dark place I've found myself. |
Jun 2022
1:06pm, 6 Jun 2022
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rf_fozzy
Firstly, I respect all decisions re: having children or not. But, to me the child debate is quite complex and I've changed my stance on it somewhat. I used to be in the "people should not have children" camp. I've moved to the "it's ok to have children, but let's not have loads" argument. For the following reasons: In most countries (some African countries and India and a few central Asian countries notwithstanding), the birth rate is actually well below replacement rate (see en.wikipedia.org for 2017 stats - any thing blue or purple is below replacement rate of 2.1) More data here: ourworldindata.org But, the world as a whole is actually at the point where the global population will shortly begin to fall. This has other issues (ageing demographics etc) which may well be bad for the climate, but populations will soon start to drop off quite rapidly - particularly in Japan and the Global North. This puts some of the projections in terms of carbon footprint and sustainability a little behind the data truth. |
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Jun 2022
1:31pm, 6 Jun 2022
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jda
Agree a cliff edge does no-one any good. But a lower population footprint would undoubtedly be a good thing. Getting from here to there is the challenge! It's not something to worry about at the individual level, but does need considered at the national/supranational scale. Japan's population is already falling significantly and it will only get more rapid from now on. Italy, probably likewise. Some other countries are propped up by immigration from areas with higher growth rates, which won't go on for ever. |
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