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May 2016
7:44pm, 1 May 2016
21,071 posts
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Derby Tup
I tried some of that training. It was blooming hard. I was still cap so I went back to be a lazy knacker (he typed lay on the settee with the dog) 
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May 2016
8:29pm, 1 May 2016
21,639 posts
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SPR
It would be interesting to know whether there's numbers from testing fo the pro athletes with EIA or whether inhalers are just dished out on self diagnosis.
I can imagine the layman with mild versions would just find ways of managing and not even think of asthma.
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May 2016
9:17pm, 1 May 2016
33,738 posts
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Velociraptor
Exercise induced asthma is often, though not invariably, associated with other atopic characteristics - eczema, hay fever, perennial allergic rhinitis, a tendency to get wheezy with upper respiratory infections. It also may never present if the person avoids exercise - the old cliche of the asthmatic kid always being the goalkeeper.
There is no reason why elite athletes should not be required to have, at the very least, pre- and post-exertional spirometry to confirm the diagnosis before being given a TUE. The test only requires a treadmill/stationary bike and a spirometry device.
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May 2016
9:23pm, 1 May 2016
21,075 posts
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Derby Tup
Is it fair to say then in the past these asmathic sports stars would have been written off as "sickly" or whatever?
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May 2016
9:36pm, 1 May 2016
33,739 posts
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Velociraptor
When I was at school, kids with asthma were allowed to dodge PE. And if you go back far enough, it's likely that an athlete who developed exercise-induced asthma (which can develop at any age) would be facing the end of their athletic career. But asthma has been treatable for decades, and in the era before it was treatable it was less common than it is now.
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May 2016
9:51pm, 1 May 2016
21,077 posts
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Derby Tup
So could the asthma "treatments" be thought of as "performance enhancing"?
Also why is asthma thought to be more common than it was in the past?
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May 2016
10:11pm, 1 May 2016
33,740 posts
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Velociraptor
Pop the question to Dr Google and have a read of all the theories, DT  There have been several prominent lines of thought, but we don't have a definite unifying answer as to why asthma is more common now. I suspect it's because of carbohydrate. 'Most everything gets blamed on that at the moment, and it would fit nicely with an increased prevalence in endurance athletes
Asthma treatments include glucocorticoids, which are considered performance-enhancing (though most people take them in tiny quantities in inhaled forms) and beta-2 agonists, which are anabolic (clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist) but which are also given in tiny metered doses by inhaler and don't get absorbed into the bloodstream in significant quantities when treating asthma conventionally. A study that was done specifically on inhaled terbutaline showed no performance-enhancing benefit in a small group of athletes.
Of more relevance to what I do is the fact that inhaled beta-2 agonists have a street value because they increase the potency, or are perceived to increase the potency, of inhaled street drugs.
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May 2016
10:22pm, 1 May 2016
21,079 posts
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Derby Tup
We're back to have you got any good gear Velo
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May 2016
5:54am, 2 May 2016
33,741 posts
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Velociraptor
I'm in a Spanish place. I'm eating pleb
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May 2016
5:56am, 2 May 2016
33,742 posts
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Velociraptor
... eh? Glad that wasn't TOTP. I think I may not have been meant to post what I intended to say about Spanish beef farming practices
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