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Polarized training

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Feb 2015
2:47pm, 20 Feb 2015
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Chrisull
FR and HappyG - Running Science by Owen Anderson suggests that in studies tempo runs/lactate threshold runs have shown to be non-optimal in training lactate threshold, and that in stead of say a 4 mile tempo run at tempo pace, you should be running say 2 mile intervals at 10k pace which would train it better.
Feb 2015
2:50pm, 20 Feb 2015
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Depends who you listen too! 10k pace is a bit brisk IMHO (but it depends on the athlete e.g. what works for elites will be different for slower geezers). At the talk I went to the other week, somewhere between 10 mile and half marathon pace was suggested to get the optimal benefits.
Feb 2015
2:59pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
There's a weight loss thread somewhere on here that says "it's not what you eat between Christmas and New Year that matters, it's what you eat between New Year and Christmas", or something like that.

It's not the 150 miles per year that you do at interval or tempo pace that matter, it's the 1500 (or more) that you do at easy pace.
Feb 2015
3:33pm, 20 Feb 2015
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HappyG(rrr)
Or it's both Glenn? ;-)

Joking apart, this started from FR saying the body has several systems which all need training, so I do think variations or differentiations are required. Lots long slow stuff, some fast stuff, would be my simple summary. One major objective would be to avoid injury. So I'd add plenty of rest and some strengthening (non-running) type stuff too. :-) G
Feb 2015
4:03pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
I think it is about balance, if you over rely on one muscle fibre or energy system your body isn't balanced.

Also my understanding is that the body needs to be really sure you're running long, so under 45 minutes the balance isn't going to be as heavily proportioned to aerobic as say after 90 minutes?
Feb 2015
4:07pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
Even running at easy pace uses both fat and glycogen based energy stores.

Not sure I understand the point about muscle fibres. None of us are sprinters. ;)
Feb 2015
4:11pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
My point about the 1500/150 is that (speaking for myself) doing only easy running took a minute a mile of my 10k time. Polarised training maybe another 5 seconds. If I were a serious athlete that might matter, but I'm not.
Feb 2015
4:54pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
Glenn, my understanding that the usage of muscle fibres is not dissimilar to the fat/glycogen usage.

If you were targeting a marathon as your 'A' race you will in fact due to muscle recruitment use some of each different fibre, in differing proportions.

I'm just making the gentle suggestion that if you have never trained some of those fibres you could be missing a trick?
Feb 2015
5:02pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
Catch-22 there FR. If racing at marathon pace uses those fibres (and I have no idea) then training at marathon pace does too.
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5:05pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
Precisely, which is why I question those that say run everything at pmp +20%!!!

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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