Feb 2015
2:47pm, 20 Feb 2015
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Chrisull
FR and HappyG - Running Science by Owen Anderson suggests that in studies tempo runs/lactate threshold runs have shown to be non-optimal in training lactate threshold, and that in stead of say a 4 mile tempo run at tempo pace, you should be running say 2 mile intervals at 10k pace which would train it better.
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Feb 2015
2:50pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
Depends who you listen too! 10k pace is a bit brisk IMHO (but it depends on the athlete e.g. what works for elites will be different for slower geezers). At the talk I went to the other week, somewhere between 10 mile and half marathon pace was suggested to get the optimal benefits.
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Feb 2015
2:59pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
There's a weight loss thread somewhere on here that says "it's not what you eat between Christmas and New Year that matters, it's what you eat between New Year and Christmas", or something like that.
It's not the 150 miles per year that you do at interval or tempo pace that matter, it's the 1500 (or more) that you do at easy pace.
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Feb 2015
3:33pm, 20 Feb 2015
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HappyG(rrr)
Or it's both Glenn?
Joking apart, this started from FR saying the body has several systems which all need training, so I do think variations or differentiations are required. Lots long slow stuff, some fast stuff, would be my simple summary. One major objective would be to avoid injury. So I'd add plenty of rest and some strengthening (non-running) type stuff too. G
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Feb 2015
4:03pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
I think it is about balance, if you over rely on one muscle fibre or energy system your body isn't balanced.
Also my understanding is that the body needs to be really sure you're running long, so under 45 minutes the balance isn't going to be as heavily proportioned to aerobic as say after 90 minutes?
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Feb 2015
4:07pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
Even running at easy pace uses both fat and glycogen based energy stores.
Not sure I understand the point about muscle fibres. None of us are sprinters.
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Feb 2015
4:11pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
My point about the 1500/150 is that (speaking for myself) doing only easy running took a minute a mile of my 10k time. Polarised training maybe another 5 seconds. If I were a serious athlete that might matter, but I'm not.
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Feb 2015
4:54pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
Glenn, my understanding that the usage of muscle fibres is not dissimilar to the fat/glycogen usage.
If you were targeting a marathon as your 'A' race you will in fact due to muscle recruitment use some of each different fibre, in differing proportions.
I'm just making the gentle suggestion that if you have never trained some of those fibres you could be missing a trick?
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Feb 2015
5:02pm, 20 Feb 2015
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GlennR
Catch-22 there FR. If racing at marathon pace uses those fibres (and I have no idea) then training at marathon pace does too.
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Feb 2015
5:05pm, 20 Feb 2015
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FenlandRunner
Precisely, which is why I question those that say run everything at pmp +20%!!!
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